Ive tried several times using lutescens, Robert. The biggest obstacle is timing. It blooms way too early, especially when it is still raining non-stop. This makes collectiing pollen even for freezer storage very tricky. I managed to get some pollen onto Baby Faurax this year, but we will see if those even germinate. I have Baby Faurax x mixed diploid pollen (banksia lutescens, rugosa alba, roxburghii normalis, chinensis). I got about 60 seeds, so who knows what will pop up.
Has anyone noticed if lutescens sets hips?
Banksiae lutescens is fully fertile with foreing pollen such as B. normalis (single white and also fully fertile). Abundant hips are small pea size and green to late autumn when in a few days they turn soft, brown and fall without peduncle. Very attractive to Rodents.
Seeds are the smaller I know of. They germinate better when one year old. Kept dry at roomm temperature.
Thanks Pierre. I think I will just work with what I’ve got in terms of banksia. There are other sources of yellow that bring remontancy and resistance to mildew.
I’ve processed some more of this year’s crosses:
(Livin’ Easy X R. kordesii) X Ebb Tide
Schoener’s Nutkana X ((Magenta X Lilac Charm) X Cafe Ole)
Hot Cocoa X ((Magenta X Lilac Charm) X Cafe Ole)
Incognito X (Magenta X Lilac Charm)
Purple Passion X (Magenta X Lilac Charm)
Orangeade X Hot Cocoa
Night Owl X Hot Cocoa
Night Owl X Incognito
(Night Owl X (Schoener’s Nutkana X Coral Dawn)) X unknown
Happy Chappy X Midnight Blue
Midnight Blue X Happy Chappy
Antike '89 X Julia Child
Julia Child X Antike '89
Julia Child X Ebb Tide
Julia Child X Apricot Twist
Apricot Twist X Sonia
Ebb Tide X Ferdinand Pichard
Ebb Tide X Hot Cocoa
Lilac Charm X Persian Sunset
Fabulous! X (Baby Love X unknown)
Lyda Rose X William Allen Richardson
HMF has added 86-3 and 86-7 (Dr. Basye’s amphidiploid of R. rugosa rubra X R. wichurana). The only photo I have of 86-3 is one of a rooted cutting taken in 2003.
Thanks for the photo of 86-3 Jim. It does look like fortuniana. I had over a dozen germinations using laevigata pollen last season. They slowly self destructed in about the 3rd. or 4th. leaf stage except for the one that survived which is from another seed parent.
Maybe a cross of Riverbanks X 86-3 is in order?
Maybe a nickname for 86-3. Since it looks like fortuniana, maybe, “Basye’s Fortune”?
I’m glad that Jim has had some success with 86-3. The one that really seems interesting is the cross of Golden Angel x Bayse’s Fortune.
I gave up on acquiring 86-3 when I learned Ray Ponton had been unsuccessful with it. I should probably give it a try.
I have abandoned working with Riverbanks in favor of working with Bankside. It is far superior, resistant to mildew and now I know it’s seed fertile. The first seedlings of Bankside x Old Lady Gates emerged just a few days ago.
I got my first seedlings using pollen of Rugelda x R15 today.
Well…
Maybe it’s a climate thing. Or a location thing.
Well, I was the one that provided 86-3 (I seriously like Basye’s Fortune better) to Jim. And when I received the cuttings, I saw some two unripe hips. So there’s some fertility.
And when I talked to Millie (I don’t remember her name) at A&M (she got it for me)-- she said that there were seedlings from it. So, maybe Ray Ponton was unsuccessful… but it has been done.
But I don’t think you wouldn’t. It’s not a wide cross, after all, if you combined 86-3 with already existing genes from banksia. It may actually be what’s needed.
If i had room for 86-3, I would try to work with it.
I’ve got banksia descendants now that are fully fertile and I’m certain are tetraploid. No doubt you are right. If anybody has any cutting wood of 86-3 let me know.
Thanks, Robert
86-3 and Fortuniana look very similar when they aren’t in bloom. 86-3’s blooms are single, and smaller than Fortuniana.
86-3 has thorns, dangerous, but not numerous. Dr. Basye grew a thornless seedling that he wrote about in “A Thornless Form of Fortuniana” in the 1988 American Rose Annual, but that is not the same seedling as 86-3.
Dr. Byrne at Texas A&M has written that they’ve used 86-3 in their breeding program and have gotten seedlings from it. He has also written that it is much less fertile than 86-7. Does anyone have 86-7?
Enrique, I like the nickname “Basye’s Fortune” too. Perhaps you should suggest it to HMF. Thanks again for the cuttings of 86-3. I stuck 10-12 cuttings from it, but only one took. It does set a few OP hips. I tried a number of crosses on it a couple of years ago, but only got one hip, so now I just use it exclusively as a pollen parent. I’m excited about Golden Angel X 86-3 too. Most of my crosses with 86-3 were on minis, but only Golden Angel took. I don’t use minis much in my breeding program, but was hoping that mini crosses would give me smaller plants than 86-3, which wants to be huge.
Robert, would you be interested in trading Bankside for 86-3? If so, please email me privately.
How big does 86-3 get? I remember Dr. Basye posted a picture of 86-7 and then, in a future issue, said sorry that it was actually a picture of 86-3.
Robert, you got to show us pictures of any future seedlings you get from 86-3 combined with your banksia hybrids.
86-3 sends out long canes that I prune before they encroach on other roses. If unchecked, I think that it would be a large rambler like its closest relatives banksiae, laevigata, and Fortuniana.
I got two germinations using laevigata pollen this morning. These should be diploid. Keep your fingers crossed for me that they survive.
Talking about laevigata… has anyone used ‘Anemone’?
I’ve tried ‘Anemone’ with no success which is interesting since it has a recorded descendant. It could be I just haven’t happened upon the right seed parent.
Here a shot of one of the new hybrid laevigata, banksia derivative seedlings taken this morning. This one has leaflets of three so far like laevigata and appears to be relatively vigorous.
Looks great! What is the cross? Do you have other seedlings in the pot with it?
Hi Jim, this is Riverbanks X R. laevigata. I got this cross to work in 2007 so I repeated it in 2008 and got a larger quantity of hips and seed.
The hybrid from the first season is a weak grower and obviously confused. These new seedlings seem to be much healthier and more vigorous.
Yes, there are at least three vigorous seedlings of the same cross in the same container. You can see the leaflets of three if you look closely. I hope one will be the key to unlocking the laevigata genome through traditional breeding techniques. The plan is to meld these with “86-3”.
The seedling from 2007 does not have leaflets of three. I keep watching it. As one would expect, it’s non-remontant. I think it’s unlikely it will flower this season, possibly ever. We’ll see.
I have lost at least 30 hybrid laevigata seedlings in the past as they usually never prosper past the second or third new leaflet stage. I am watching three Ducher x laevigata seedlings die right now. Last year I watched over a dozen Duchesse de Brabant x laevigata seedlings perish slowly.
I’ve been trying with laevigata for close to 10 years now.
Banksia lineage is pretty dilute at this point. I hope to quantify that in the future.
Sorry… the thread is getting long but I’m still in the 2009 crosses season here… hips are pretty much ripe or well on their way. I’ve got a lot of successful takes this season but one I am really excited about is another successful take on ‘Green Ice’ !!! I put some multiflora (it’s a single pink with a white centre multiflora) pollen on one flower as a kind of ‘let’s see what happens’ whim… and it’s taken and I’ve just picked it 
There was a single seed in it I wonder if ‘Green Ice’ accepts multiflora pollen ok whether it might accept some of the hybrid multiflora pollen such as ‘Violette’???