Last pollinated Tigris. Was open this morning.
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The 4 pollinated tigris blooms. No other flowers will show up I think.
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Lets see what it brings in 2010. 
Timo, those are great photos of âTigrisâ.
Best wishes for the success of your crosses!
Jim Sproul
I dunno to what extent others do this â and it seems to be an exercise in conceit to sit and postulate as to what another âoughtâ to try crossing their hybrids with â but Jim, I couldnât help but wonder if any of your hybrids have anything with Playboy genes in themâŚ
It likely wouldnât help their resistance, but I wonder if something like Irene Marie (with which I have no first hand experience) might enhance the outer halo in your K201 plant while maintaining the eyeâŚ
I really do like that seedling of yours. Very attractive.
(Having suggested a Playboy descendent, I just searched and found that Moore played with such in his Perian Flame seedling. Not quite the result I imagined, but interesting.)
Also, Roses in Red, too.
Philip, gosh, I am very glad to try suggestions made by others. Yes, Mr. Moore did use a lot of âPlayboyâ with his âTigrisâ crosses. He also suggested to me to try getting them into multiflora types.
I think that this style of rose will look best with 5 to 10 petals (perhaps the very best with 10 petals). In addition to that, I think that they should have a good abundance of bloom. I would love to get them into a âWing Dingâ type form.
Though the blotch gene(s) seem to be âdominantâ, I am wondering from my observations whether there are other petal genes that are dominant to the blotch gene and mask itâs expression in some cases or only allow the expression of a very faint blotch in other cases. The blotch comes through strongly when combined with some roses, but only weakly when combined with others. And I think that there is definitely a âdoseâ effect.
I think that I reported somewhere on this forum that last year my daughter (10 years old at the time) suggested that we try crossing the hulthemias with some striped roses. I hadnât thought of it, but I thought, âwhy not!â. It was funny that Mr. Moore made the same suggestion this spring when I went to see him. From the crosses that we made last year, there are about five or six that have stripes along with the blotch. In most cases the blotch is quite faint, but if there is a dose effect, then the blotch can be intensified by crossing these seedlings back with other hulthemias. I think it might make a very attractive bloom.
I suspect that similar to the increased interest in stripes that happened after Mr. Moore released 'Stars ân Stripesâ, that there will be quite a lot of interest in the hulthemias with an âexplosionâ of types offered. I am hopeful that it will result in a renewed interest in single type roses.
Jim Sproul
Well I did a Tigris cross with Ferdinand Pichard in a pollenmix. You got some competition on that Jim! lol 
Hey Timo, that sounds like a very good cross!
Jim Sproul
Thorn of Tigris:
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Bush is doing well here and the hips are swelling a bit.
Timo,
Do you know what the other parent of R. nitida Kebu is? The bristles in your pictures at HMF look a lot like some of the hugonis cultivars at the Arnold Arboretum. It looks to not be commercially available, so Iâm wondering where it came from, too.
Thanks,
Don
Hi Don,
A couple months ago I mailed a nursery in Denmark which bred Nitida kebu but never got any respons. The local gouvernment bought a huge amouth of bushes and itâs everywhere in town here. Donât know where they get them from. Itâs for sell in Denmark and Norway.
Canât help you more on this.
All Tigris crosses didnât work. All 4 are gone.
Itâs a hard one.
Next year I go try Nigel Hawthorn. Anybody used it?
Iâve one hip on Tigris ~ pollinated by âThe Garlandâ; half a dozen other crosses didnât work; Iâve heard from Ronnie Rawlins, a hybridizer in UK who has been working on persicas for 10 years, that itâs best to use Tigris as a pollen parent ~ something Iâll have to do next year;he also told me that Nigel Hawthorn & Euphrates & Edward Hyams do not set hips; also EH is entirely sterile, while NH & Euph have very low pollen fertility & that Tigris is the best bet for breeding further hybrids
Timo, I am sorry to hear that the âTigrisâ hips failed. Most of mine also failed, but I have 3 or 4 hips still hanging on!
Malcolm, I have never heard that âTigrisâ was pollen fertile, but had heard that it was instead pollen sterile. That is why I have never tried it as a pollen parent. All of the hybrids that I am aware of were with âTigrisâ as the seed parent. I know that Ronnie Rawlins has been very successful with the persicas, so I am sure that his advice is good.
Jim Sproul
I purchased âPersian Flameâ early this last spring. I have found it to be a strong grower. I believe that the âPlayboyâ descent might give it good shade tolerance as it has a deep dark green foliage. It is rather bigger than expected as it has thrown 3â-4â canes in all directions (which adds up to 6ââŚ). It hasnât bloomed yet although it is quite healthy.
JLO:
My daughter got Persian Flame by error this spring instead of Persian Sunset. It bloomed once and has not repeated. She loved the flowers and is even more impressed that it has remained clean in her no spray garden, something she did not expect. She wanted a Hulthemia hybrid out of curiosity, but expected to have to chuck it when it got blackspot â which has never happened.
Hi Jim Sproul:
Your picture from early June is terrific! I would buy that rose in a minute! Sorry I am so slow getting to you but this thread takes too long to load at home and I donât have time at work where my computer is faster.
Regards, Bob in New Orleans
Persian Flame or Roses are Red would have been the route I would have tried first if breeding hulths. But, then again, I tend to intentfully avoid minis in my work.
The only exceptions, so far, have been Baby Love and Tickles.
Hi Malcolm, do you know if Ronnie Rawlins has email? I talked with him on the phone once, but have lost his number.
Bob, thanks for the comments!
JLO, you may find that you wonât get any blooms until next year. All of the Ralph Moore hulthemias bloom on old wood, though the bloom period on some of them is quite long.
Jim Sproul
Where does one find Persian Sunset, Persian Flame and/or Roses are Red? None of the suppliers on HMF lists them as available. Thanks
Rob
NorâEast has told me that they will start selling Mooreâs roses in September, though they did not say which varieties.
Rob Byrnes and Don:
I called the people out at Sequoia Nursery a couple of weeks ago and they gave the name of the nursery that they said would be marketing Mooreâs roses sometime in the fall they hoped. I checked the name out on the internet and found out it is a mega giant plant company that litterally sells BILLIONS of plants a year. Unfortunately, I canât currently access the computer file with the name of the company, but I got the distinct impression that we can hope for almost all, if not all, of Mooreâs product line.
Bob in New Orleans