‘Pinata’ mildews here. It’s not the worst but afflicted every year.
‘Elle’ has intrigued me for some time but I already have too many roses, too little time.
‘Stainless Steel’ mildews for me too, though not as bad as some others. It’s an easy parent.
I believe that you would probably get a tan or russet color from crossing a deep dark red with an apricot like Marilyn Monroe. I did this with Black Magic and MM and I’m waiting for the seedlings to bloom.
I got a nice range of colors from the cross Ebb Tide X Julia Child a couple of years ago, although there were no browns, tans, or russets. I’ve gotten some seedlings in that color range from crosses where one or both of the parents were lavender. I haven’t gotten seedlings in that color range where one of the parents was a dark purple, although it seems that it should be possible. I got a brown this year from the cross Honey Dijon X Royal Amethyst, although it is not healthy, and will likely be discarded.
Here is a link to photos of a seedling from 2001 from a cross between two lavenders. The color is beige or russet in warm weather and lavender/gray in cold weather.
The only orange/russet that I have come up with so far was a Queen Elizabeth x Barkarole seedling that was orange with russet tones and a salmon reverse. A pink crossed with a deep red…maybe the orange was coming from Floradora. It’s now extinct but I liked the coloring.
Rob,
Perusing through this old thread. You mentioned desiring the reds with blackish tones .
I have FireFighter and it has that deep scarlet-red color with blackish red overtones in its petals. Have just had two recent blooms and they were lovely. Firefighter is relatively thornless which is another plus.
Have had the plant in a pot for over two years and it has not done well (I hope because of that). This spring I am putting it in the ground and looking forward to its really taking off.
Reading your post reminded me of Firefighter. In many ways the coloring is similar to Queen Bee but a much bigger flower and far fewer thorns.
Rereading I also saw you purchased your Carefree Beauty from Chamblees. Looking to see if it is RMV free as mine purchased from another nursery showed the disease this summer after owning it for 8 years.
Jim
Jim,
Thanks for mentioning Firefighter. How is her disease resistance for you? She sure is pretty in the pictures on HMF. Queen Bee didn’t last long in my garden. She was completely defoliated early on in the season as was Black Lady. Both are now gone.
Carefree Beauty is completely clean for me so far. It’s a relatively small plant and I’ve not had it very long but no sign of disease yet. I think CB will help me get to where I want to be…healthy and hardy minis.
Rob
Some years ago I found a chart for predicting the color of rose seedlings. According to that chart, lavender as a seed parent crossed with red gives 80 % of lavender seedlings. One might assume, that it is the same % with crossing purple females with reds. The chart was on the page http://www.love-of-roses.com. I tried to find it now there, but did not manage to. Maybe they have removed it.
I made a cross Gebruder Grimm x Big Purple this summer. Let’s see, what comes out. Also put some Rhapsody In Blue pollen to Etoile De Hollande.This winter I get some Midnight Blues, and hardly can wait to try some crosses with them.
This chart?
Link: www.love-of-roses.com/predict-rose-seedling-color.html
Exactly the same.
This chart was developed by Steve McCulloch, one of RHA’s consultants, and a member of the Olympia Rose Society some years ago. At one time it was on their website and the RHA had a link to it.
A couple years ago I tried a few deep yellow X purple crosses, with the hope of getting something in the “slightly used bathroom tissue” color range. In a sense, I achieved it with the cross of ‘Arthur Bell’ x ‘Midnight Blue’: amongst the vast number of insipid pinks and pale, lifeless yellows, there were a few dirty (and I do mean dirty) soiled-looking pinks overlaid with a kind of vomity-yellow hue. The hues that were bland and worthless were bad enough; the rest were designed to offend every sensibility, total color blindness not included. I filed that experiment under “Not to be repeated”!
However…
It really depends on the particular “yellow” you use, how intense its color, and what other pigments are present. Case in point would be a similar cross made the same year: ‘Midnight Blue’ x ‘Brown Velvet’. That combination yielded a batch of richly colored seedlings dominated by a hue I think of as “Garnet”; deep red with a smoky tint, sometimes purplish, sometimes rusty, often both simultaneously. ‘Brown Velvet’ is essentially a dark orange, so I regard it as being kin to the deep yellows, but alloyed with some form or red/pelargonidin. It is this alloy pigment that no doubt cast its spell in the ‘Midnight Blue’ cross to generate the deep Garnet hues. FYI I used ‘Hot Cocoa’ as a pollen parent in a similar cross and obtained very similar results.
Nice velvety look to the color and the petals. Love the color.
That 'Midnight Blue
Sorry, I did not remember well. Guinee did bloom earlier, according to notes, I have a pollination 29.6 Gebruder Grimm x Guinee, and 12.7 Jasmina x Guinee, but they did not take.
I made a lot of crossings orange/apricot/deep yellow with purple/mauve/lilac partners.
The only brown roses I got until now are descendants of other brown roses:
Florence Delattre x Café
Florence Delattre x Honey Dijon
and perhaps this one: Café x Florence Delattre
Only Laika is still alive
but i go on trying to get a brownish rose from these crossings, because most brown roses have lilac and apricot or yellow parents, as far as we know the parents.
Sometimes it works. ; )
In former times too.
I’m looking forward to the cross Crown Princess Margareta x Royal Celebration and many others…
Hello, especially to New Zealand and Australia!
One of my aims it to breed brown roses. Of course I’m curious, when I read rose-colour-descriptions like these: “Dark russet brown” of the rose Dark Moments/Simdamo, bred by Nola Simpson.
I’d like to see a picture of this rose. Rose & Friends in Australia/NSW lists it as “Dark Moments” and it should grow in the garden of Mrs. Georgina Campbell in NZ (what a garden!!). Has anybody of you ever seen this rose? Is it really dark brown?? Rose & Friends describes it as “ox blood and burnt orange”. Is it perhaps a colour like “Chocolate Sundae”? That one is not available in Europe, although it has been bred in France.
I have the descendant of Dark moments “GP Brownie/Simstripe” and want to make crosses with other brown roses. This year I got 3 seeds from one hip (Café x Simstripe). I also would like to cross “Oranges ‘n’ Lemons/Papagena”, which is one parent of “Simstripe” with some of my blue/lilac ones. Has someone of you got good seedlings from Oranges ‘n’ Lemons? Has anyone here already bred with “Chocolate Sundae”?
Now there’s a photo of it in HMF!