I put HC pollen onto a newly planted tree-rose version of Ebb Tide. It was a tree-budded version with one bud placed above the other bud. Well, I first hacked off the top bud-graft effectively leaving half the plant on the stick, because there had been sloppy pruning done on it during its production, which had left about 50% of the wood between top and bottom bud unions dead.
I am surprised that after this drastic pruning job, the few remaining “sticks” still flowered and set hips on nearly all the flowers (those that did not set were due to rain downpoors I am sure!).
Anyway, for some reason, I have lost interest in this cross already…it is weird…dunno why… all this talk of magenta and hot mauves… etc… LOL
I’ll let the hips color and see what comes out of it. Most of the hips are overloaded with achenes, most have achenes popping out of the tops of the hips even.
Hot Chocolate = Hot Cocoa… same rose… different countries 
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BTW…one of our local nurseries here is selling Hot Cocoa (and labelled as such), and another totally different variety labelled Hot Chocolate, as well.
The HC I am referring to here is WEKpaltlez
Thanks for all the suggestions re: orange/yellow and purple. I think I know where I can find Cinco de Mayo and there will be a couple others mentioned that I will look to purchase this fall.
At the risk of beating a dead horse concering color results, any opinion on whether I stand a chance of obtaining a deep/black red along the lines of Taboo from my Midnight Blue x Illusion, Midnight Blue x Quadra and the same roses in reverse crosses? I would be very happy with Purples but deep red/black is always desireable to me…and again, anything but pink please. lol
Midnight Blue X a deep orange or deep red will give a percentage of reds and DARK garnet/crimsons. See link for one example from my own work:
Link: www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.58671
As a side tangent, Hot Cocoa is probably a good use for creating new climbers. For example, Westerland x Hot Cocoa would be a good F1 to create a lot of various warm toned climbers, which are sorely void in the climber world of roses. Even purples like Rhapsody in Blue x (Westerland x Hot Cocoa) could have a lot of possibilities too. I’d mention Night Owl but I think its garbage grown on popsicle sticks 
Paul, your 125-06-30 has a color that I’d be thrilled to obtain. Thanks for the expample and I love the color on yours.
Jadae, if I can find Hot Cocoa I will try your suggestion for a cross. I have one nursery in mind that may have it and I know they have Cinco de Mayo and maybe CdM might also be useful when crossed with Westerland to obtain warm toned climbers. I’m going to pull Red Eden, Eden, Polka and Don Juan so I’ll end up with room for a few climbing seedlings that show promise.
Thanks for the input guys.
Eden and Polka are pretty decent, no? Hot Cocoa (Playboy, Altissimo, Remember Me, Southampton) is more likely to produce climbers than Cinco de Mayo (Top Notch, propritary seedling, Betty Boop, Countess Celeste) . Check out the lineage differences. I once got a coral orange overlaid with russet pillar rose from Orange Velvet x Hot Cocoa. Unfortunately, it didnt have vigor and also wouldnt produce pollen, but the blooms were cool lol.
George, dont worry so much about your Ebb Tide/Hot Cocoa cross. Hybridizing is a game of patience and scheming. I always think of crosses that produce something worthwhile, even if not planned, as good surprises. Ive gotten “keepers” out of crosses that I thought were sheer crap, lol. And Ive gotten sheer crap out of excellent crosses. Sometimes hypothetically excellent parents can have nasty dominant traits lurking behing in their genetics. Ya just never know =)
ok…I hear what you say Michael…true! :0)
Rob, I too love Eden, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
Scent from Above is one of my favorite pillar roses. Its bred from a mini climber (Laura ford) but is full sized. Warm Welcome, which is from the same parents, could possibly produce similar climbers in mauves and oranges and russets if crossed properly. I have no clue how dominant the miniature or climbing traits are in this line, though.
Eden is one of my favorite pillar roses. I love the form and color but it sets no hips and haven’t had luck with any of its pollen. My garden space is limited to I recently decided I need to refocus my stategy…so, anything I keep has to be fertile, highly disease resistant, and fairly hardy. Unfortunately Eden doesn’t make the cut because of the sterility. Red Eden (Blooms don’t fully open), Polka (BS magnet) and Don Juan (stingy with blooms) will also be cut. The focus now is to breed minis, ‘patio’ and floribundas with unusual colors/leaves. The ones I pull I will offer to anyone who is interested in receiving them.
Sometimes you get a mix of traits.
Here’s a photo taken this morning of International Herald Tribune x Yellow Alzbeta Kuska.
I thought I only had one remontant seedling from this cross but it look now as if both will repeat.
Link: www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.61564&tab=1
Rob, ‘Eden’ (grown here as ‘Pierre de Ronsard’) is pollen fertile here. I decided not use it further, however, because it made me no nice seedlings and has a terrible habit of splitting its stems. I’ve never seen anything like it. If the stems aren’t tied back tightly to prevent swaying in the breeze they split and form big wounds which swell and become woody fissures. I love its flowers too and it grows pretty cleanly here… but I can’t imagine a nice shrub rose that formed these unsightly wounds along its stems. ‘Red Eden’, called ‘Red Pierre’ here (though not even remotely related to PDR), is also one that I had thought of using at one stage because it formed OP hips here, however, its flowers fail to open fully if the weather gets a little cool, they ball badly in wet weather, and I have never seen rust as bad as I’ve seen it on ‘Red Pierre’. It grows well on its own roots and easily from cuttings so I struck a few before selling off the grafted plant in the hope that an own root version might behave differently… not counting on it though.
Thanks for the input Simon. I’m suprised to learn that you had some success using Eden as a pollen parent and disappointed that you didn’t obtain anything nice. I always thought that Eden would make pretty babies.
Congrats Robert on obtaining two repeat bloomers. What are your plans with these two as far as breeding further lines?
Rob, this particular cross was done for fun. I have several other remontant crosses out of this pollen parent.
I’ll probably do some line breeding to see if I can get some hardier mauves and yellows out of it.
‘Yellow Alzbeta Kuska’ is a good grower but very tall. These seedlings have better branching which generally means better flower production. Repeat is something that could be improved in descendants.
This is a result of a recent bloom on a seedling from Pinata. This may be a chance cross-it is clumped with Rt 66 and Betty Boop, and I was not intending to save any seed, but came up a little short and picked a few OP’s. Pinata is about as orange yellow as it comes. Another of it’s seedlings is a russett orange with deep purple edging. It bloomed just as I went on vacation, and I did not get a photo; also it is not a really vigorous seedling, so it might not make the survival of the fittest test. I also have a lavender (very healthy) from Rt66 x Elle.
This is the RT 66 X ELLE cross. Elle herself does fade to a really (gross)light grey-blued pink, but usually is very orangey-yellow. Another seedling was a very deep yellow with bright orange edging. I’m thinking that with enough crosses, I will come up with something on the tan/brown side of russet. This is also a very vigorous cross. The foliage is quite healthy, but sustained some burning when I O’D’d on the AgriPhos.
I always did think Elle should be used for mauves and purples lol. It is bred from a purple and littered with quite a few lines stemming from the pernetianas. Its actually fairly healthy here despite the long lineage of blackspot prone roses, lol. Elle x Sweetness would be interesting to see if it works. Elle x Stainless Steel could produce fun colors, too, Im sure, but that seems like a sure fire way to breed blackspot en masse =/
Hi Jadae!
At the beginning of the thread you wrote:
“Arthur Bell isnt saturated enough to pull off anything to compete with the whole Big Purple/Violetta line.”
I think this is a very important sentence for that topic.
I did some R. ecae crossings this season (lots of pollinated flowers, abt. 80 and only 4 hips left, that worked perhaps, if they are not selfings), where I thought similar things when I selected my pollen partners.
I want to do diploid brown or orange wild species crossings that way.
So foetida bicolor would not feel so alone … . 
Only difference to f. bicolor: perhaps I’ll also get away that nasty Black spot the same time, if the parents do well. …
Grx!
Arno