Unfortunatly not repeat and not scented
Wow how could they lose both!
The first seedling have a light scent
A five week old seedling of āIndigoā x āPikeās Peakā. This cross was made 2024. The ungerminated seeds underwent a second stratification at the end of 2025. Particularly striking on this seedling are the slightly red coloration of the main shoot and the needle-like spines. Of the 11 seedlings from the two germination cycles, only the two youngest show these traits, although the second one has a very fragile structure. It is possible that Rosa acicularis Lindl. may have a slight influence.
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I had never heard of the pollen parent before. What made you decide to do the cross?
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I would like to mix wild rose blood into the Portland roses. So far, I have not succeeded. āRose de Reschtā does not respond to this method in any way, and āIndigoā produced only a few, very weak offspring. āPikeās Peakā was another attempt to get closer to this goal. I hoped that this hybrid, since it carries both wild and Chinese blood, is a better genetic choice and could serve as a bridge
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My de rescht accepts absolutely nothing! Indigo as you told me 3 years ago is a lot more happy to give things a try
Yeah Portlandās are the basis of my breeding. Probably why it hasnāt gone that well so far! I have also been making ramblers. Too early to tell if they are any good!
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Iām keeping my fingers crossed for you!
Has anyone used the rose Miranda, helpmefind shows a hip can form? Additionally Bouquet delivered la Marieā¦ helpmefind says itās a hybrid perpetual/noisette but a rose nursery I trust in the UK thinks itās closer to damask perpetual/Portland rosesā¦ any used it?
Try Basyeās Blueberry. Itās got about 1/3+ R. virginiana/carolina (canāt remember which at the moment and HelopMeFindās renewals page is broken at the moment). I did Indigo x Bayeās Blueberry and got some good seedlings. And the rabbits got thoseā¦ Bummer. Going to try the cross again this year.
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Thereās a reason there arenāt more Portland (perpetuals) than there are. They are difficult to produce. (few seedlings repeat, and the vast majority are unhealthy and weak)
Yeah but I love them, they smell and look great. I imagine itās possible to get some more healthy ones
Iām glad to hear that you were able to produce good offspring with Indigo and Basyeās Blueberry. Regrettably, I have no way of getting Basyeās Blueberry here in Europe. So far, I havenāt had any success crossing Indigo with R. carolina, R. virginiana, or a pollen mixture of both. It is therefore likely that Basyeās Blueberry brought, either directly or through Commander Gillette, exactly the right āChina Bloodā component in the gene mix to produce a desirable result.
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Iām just getting my program going this summer and my plants are all very young but one of the crosses Iād like to try this year or next is to cross Indigo with Rouletii. I believe Indigo is triploid and Rouletii diploid but Iām happy to give anything a shot.
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I thought indigo was a Tetraploid?
@James_D My info can certainly be wrong, I am just going off Helpmefind. If an expert here said something else that would be a better source.
@fiskrose Peter, that will be an interesting experiment. I donāt know the ploidy of āIndigoā and I donāt know where HMF got its info, but I would be a bit surprised if it was a triploid. (Not that thatās important) But be ready to be ruthless in culling seedlings that Blackspot easily, which is likely something āRoulettiiā offspring are going to suffer from. But hey, you only need ONE good hybrid to call it a success, soā¦
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Thanks Paul. I also breed aquarium fish which have to be culled sometimes (deformities usually). So compared to having to do that Iām hoping Iāll have little hesitation with plants. I am also limited for space unfortunately.
Thank you James for welcome me . I did this breeding of rose as hobby when I came here to Latvia rural wilds . The rose here is treated as an annual or a cover up in blankets . I started with Frau Dagma and crossed with John Davis gave me a sturdy rose that laughs at zone 4 minus 32c .It is short on scent as a good all rounder in general .Have sent 6 plants to Wisley GHQ RHS and more to Amsterdam nursery . I hope to go pro just to get plant passports that make life easier . I have 170 roses in my 5acre English Manor gardens around the house . Yours Kevin Lord Parr alias Cromwell
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