It’s good to know La Marne is cooperative. It won the Earthkind designation, so it seems like a good choice for those of us in the zone 7-11 areas to use.
Hi Charles;
This year I used Comtesse Du Cayla one of the parents of La Marne, it grows clean as a whistle where I am in OZ.
Hi Warren, I’ve never grown Comtesse Du Cayla, although I’ve heard many good things about it. I like it’s yellow/orange tones also, so I may have to pick one up.
I was hoping to use Peach Drift as a source for yellow/orange. I put Old Blush pollen on several blooms of PD a few months back, but they have all fallen off, will try again both ways. I have other chinas to try it with also. PD does make seed, I have several Peach Drift x Pope John Paul II hips that are almost ready to harvest. PD has a lot of Wichuriana in it, maybe wich/chinensis don’t match up easily at the diploid level, Cheers.
Except for Pink Drift, the Drift series is not very fertile. If I was to gamble on using them, I would try them as pollen parents. For what it is worth, Red Drift can be really pretty, but it is one of the most heat/moisture loss-intolerant roses I had ever grown. It was replaced with Flower Carpet Scarlet since the latter does not have that issue.
At the Sacramento Historic Cemetery, Comtesse du Cayla has developed into an enormous mountain of a plant. In full flower April before last when I saw it, I was impressed with it almost as if it should be a semi double, “coppery” Mutabilis. It impressed me that this MUST be crossed with Mutabilis and that the results had to be spectacular. My du Cayla isn’t very large, yet, and Mutabilis is resistant to most pollens, but I keep trying anyway. Until the Comtesse gets tall enough to be able to shield her hips from rodent foraging, I can’t make the cross using her as seed parent. I will continue using her pollen on Mutabilis in hopes something takes. THIS is one of my “Holy Grail” crosses and has been for the past two years.
If left unmolested, these wonderful roses can build to some amazing proportions. The larger they’re allowed to grow, the more remarkable their resistance, persistence and performance.
LaMarne was equally impressive there. I hope mine eventually achieve these sizes!
Ugh anything concerning Mutabilis and Comtesse Du Caya makes me drool Kim. Can’t wait to see the fruits of that cross.
I want to cross CdC and Crepuscule too.
You should use ‘Crepuscule’ too Warren, it’s a climber all right but the color and disease resistance and love of heat should work like a dream for your line.
I have been humming and harring about using Crepuscule for years but never got around to using it. Crepuscule’s colour I like very much, especially when the light is comming through the bloom, it glows gold. One Noisette I did use this spring was Gloire De Dijon, have a few crosses of it and moderns. The beauty of using it is that being tetraploid, there is no ploidy conflict.
Crepuscule’s pollen is supposedly very good/fertile might be worth a shot. I know Paul Barden got a very nice mini from it with a cross with the mini ‘Joycie’. The only problem would probably be the genetics towards climbing/rambling. I quite like that languid look though. It’s leaves are strangely immaculate or never seem very diseased for me here in Maryland USA which is blackspot heaven. Even roses that do fine in the deep south even if cold hardy here often don’t do well here no spray due to our monster strains of blackspot.
This is one of the Hybrid China’s I bred a few years ago, blooms are semi double hot pink, health and vigour are very very good.
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Although not a hybrid china , but from aTea background , this is one I still do not know what to do with yet. It is Whiz Kid X Lorainne Lee.
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Closer view of the Baronne Ed Rothschild X Mutabilis
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That’s a cool cross, Warren. Aren’t Mutabilis seedlings fun?
Kim my little SAFMUT the (SafranoX Mutabilis)
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I crossed it with Ithaca (Charles Austin X Mme Caroline Testou)
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I have a seedling up of the cross, will be interesting to see how it turns out.
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Mutabilis X Belle Story
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It’s actually pretty. How’s the fragrance? Did it keep the Belle Story scent or is it altered with more pepper? Too bad it doesn’t appear phototropic.
The scent is more musk smelling. These China hybrids, I am not overly concerned at this moment on bloom structure or colour, but future offspring of F1, F2, F3 of different China cultivars being intregrated with each other developing a rose culitvar capable of being grown in semi tropical conditions. These Mutabilis Hybrids will be used as pollinators to go on Le Vesuve, Old Blush and Ten Thousand Lights.
This is a better photograph of Mutabilis X Belle Story
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That’s really pretty Warren!
Kim it looks like it shows a wee bit of phototrophic sensitivity on the outer older petals with some darker veining occurring as well. Foliage is very china like with a touch of mildew .
If the plant is as happy as Mutabilis, you probably have a winner! That thing can mildew a bit, but outgrows it and never ceases flowering. For my climate, it’s the perfect rose.
Kim the growth is very Mutabilis like and it has never stopped flowering from 12 wks old. Its around 1 ft high , probably would have been bigger if I had planted it in the garden beds 9 mths ago, but its happy as larry for the moment, now its roots are in good soil.