Check if you can get Callisto there, too.
Jadae,
‘Bishop Darlington’ is available. ‘Tequila’(MEIgavesol) the floribunda is also locally available…is this the ‘Tequila’ you are recommending (there are a few by the same name)?
Neither BD nor Tequila have listed descendants.
Which of these two would likely be more compatible with Euphrates pollen, in your opinion?
Callisto is not available.
George, I don’t have a plant of Golden Wings but do have access to one. I have an OP seedling from last season and a small batch potted up from this season so it’s seed fertile.
MEIpomolo is the one I meant. I have used it successfully and it lives to produce singles and semi-doubles. It has a lot of ramber in it as well. It produces seed easily.
So, (thank you soooo much Don and Jadae) I now have two selections that are availabe locally, to throw Euphrates pollen on to.
‘Bishop Darlington’, and ‘Golden Wings’.
Hmmm
BTW here is a short list of the ususal rose nurseries down here I consult, which may reflect the stuff we CAN get down here, if it helps any.
http://www.mistydowns.com.au/roses.php
I’ll look at them. Be sure to use Golden Wings as a pollen parent. Despite that it sets hips easily, it isnt a good mother. Note on HMF that it is used as a male.
Sweet Magic looks like a good intermediate step.
I see
Too bad I cant get Sweet Magic’s kid, ‘Baby Love’ to use!
lol…you know, maybe it is better I cannot obtain sooooo many selections here down under, as I would no doubt overstock and end up with no space to plant it :0)
Be sure to use Golden Wings as a pollen parent. Despite that it sets hips easily, it isnt a good mother.
This is likely to be true because, as you point out, Golden Wings has no documented progeny as a seed parent. However, I think it would yield to persistence if the right partners were given a try and I’m hoping that the F2 OP turn up something useful as a breeder.
I want to point out that it does make a difference, genetically, whether a plant is used as a pollen parent or a seed parent. It deserves discussion but rather than hijack and expand this already lengthy thread I’ll start a new one.
Jude the Obscure and Wild Flower give decent health, produce singles/semi-doubles and are both fertile. That is probably what I would use. I had good luck with Jude the Obscure as a seed parent and I know both Wild Flower and Windrush produce seed easily that can germinate.
Don I see, thank you.
Jadae, I appreciate that you searched the Oz nurseries I listed, and for the extra suggestions…they are all great ideas!
No problem. I just hope that Euphrates is fertile.
Same for Nigel Hawthorne.
I dont expect anything to come out of it, so if anything does I’ll let ya know.
Simon has his Epuhrates experiment going, and it is because of his persistance and some new knowledge he brought into the equation that some other group used Euphrates successfully, that I have been motivated to try as well.
I cant see anyone sending hybrid hulthemia OP seed to us here down under, which is fine. However, if anyone wants to, I am happy to take and distribute to all my RHA colleagues this side of the world (import permits required, but proably easy to get at a guess).
Assuming it does have (minimal) fertility, is Euphrates more likely to produce progeny when used as a seed or as a pollen parent (assuming the other mate is equally fertile both ways)?
Both Rosa persica and Tigris were used as seed parents except ofr the hardii hybrid, which I found interesting. Personally, I would try both ways with anything I would think is iffy.If Euphrates is anything like Fairy Changeling, then it would be challenging to use Euphrates as a seed parent. Roses like that are even worse than trying to pollenate true minis.
I see… Also, I read somewhere, some time ago, that there was some dispute raised about whether Hardii had Clinophylla as seed or pollen parent. We can never really know I guess.
It would be nice to know how the hybridizers mentioned further up this thread used Euphrates (as mom or dad) to get seed out of it.