Early Oriental Yellows

Roses for Hybridizing
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Hi Robert! :slight_smile:

“How did you get a garden away from where you live?”

Here in Germany still we do have a historically type of garden which is called Schrebergarten, (part of the story is the famous “Gardenzwerg” - of course now I will buy too such an ugly staue and place it, right there, where it can be seen best :smiley: ).

You don’t own the land, but you lend it for a long period or open time span.

The costs are really very low, under 0,80 Eurocent for one squaremeter, including water and electricity - and for 1 year!

Your idea of course sounds good to me, because it could be no better time to buy or lend good properties. (At least: If its not foundet on depts … I think thats the most important addition at the moment.

Depts are really no good idea now and for the next years, in my opinion. We’re getting a freek wave in the credit market, but thats another story :slight_smile: )

Of course it would be good, if from time to time somebody truely would look after the watering systems, if they still are in function.

“How did you decide to choose Hulthemias along with resitant types – is your goal resistant Hulthemia’s and do you have other goals?”

I always was interested in Hulthemia, because of its eye spot.

In parallel I learned to hate all the ill hybrid tea roses, etc.

And some spellings for healthy roses came really strange to me: “roses for beginners”.

Somewhere in a german rose forum i posted, that then, the best seems to be always a beginner, because then beginners will have the best material around. :slight_smile:

I have some really healthy roses that have got leafs fom the bottom to the top.

In mild winters (like this one now), some of them even don’t lose all their leafs and its still healthy!!

This is the kind of plants I want to see in the garden.

Imagine a garden flower different from roses, that always is ill, exceptyou go along with chemicals.

Is that an aim or is that boring and ugly. :wink:

That has been the reason for me to bring the two ideas together: Healthyness and Hulthemia.

If it works I will only get seasonally flowering shrubs that are pretty healthy.

The next step is then to cross those shrubs with healthy recurrent flowering shrubs, to get the recurrent flowering trate into these new F1 Hulthemia / Rosa Persica Hybrids.

And - yes, I do have other goals, I like a lot of wild roses as Rosa elegantula persetosa, Rosa banksiae lutescens, the Cinnamomea group, Rosa filipes, Stellata mirifica, Rosa gigantea and much more others (I don’t have access to that last genotype unfortunately … .)

Greetings from Germany!

Arno

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Hello Arno: 0,80 Eurocents for 1 sq. meter per year INCLUDING water & electricity! Dass kann mann kaum glauben!

I agree with you – no debts. If we had had debts before Katrina we would have been ruined. Because we had no debt we were able to rebuild our properties, although we had to borrow a small amount to do so. The banksiae roses are very popular here in the South, but they only bloom once. I had one that had been my great grandfather’s and it was never sprayed or fertilized. It was as big as a small tree. When I became interested in roses I decided to fertilize it – and killed it. :frowning: It survived 80 years of neglect but only one week of love and attention. :slight_smile: But I did learn to be more careful with fertilizer.

I like your interest in healthy recurrent flowering shrubs – I have just ordered a Basye’s Purple for my North Carolina home and will probably also order one or two Moore’s Striped Rugosas, although I did see one comment on the internet saying that it did not prove to be as blackspot resistant as hoped for. Here is a link to a Paul Barden article on Rosa gigantea. http://www.rdrop.com/~paul/gigantea.html I don’t know where to get any either, but I haven’t really tried. Have a nice weekend. Best regards, Bob Williams

Link: www.rdrop.com/~paul/gigantea.html

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Thank you Bob!

Have a nice weekend, too!

And thank you for your Link, I knew that article, but didn’t read it a long time, thats something fro tomorrow evening.

This sentence from the bottom of your linked text makes me think … I will post it in the other thread on the yellow colours, but also here it fits!!

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Differential pairing of chromosomes does play a role in the reduced fertility of some hybrids, and can greatly reduce the frequency of segregation of characters in the hybrid progeny. That is, if we cross Rosa foetida with a Hybrid Tea, we cannot expect fully fertile, deep yellow Hybrid Teas in the F2.; and it will take even longer to eliminate the susceptibility to blackspot."

Greetings,

Arno

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Roger Mitchell,

Canary Bird is heavely tested by Lens Junior but 99% of all his seedlings got white.

Best regard,

Timo

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Arno,

Have you had any luck with your crosses on Rosa elegantula persetosa?

Don

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All Springtime crosses have failed. It doens’t set hips.

I’ll have a look how the pollen goes.