Yeah that is too dark and sparse to be primula. Also, the foliage shape/texture is way different. It is more numerous, closer together and feathery. It is also very fragrant when hot or humid.
Even though I mainly work with tetraploids, I have always been fascinated by the potential of the diploids. Theoretically, it should be easier to breed for difficult traits in diploids than in tetraploids. The low fertility of hybrids between diploid species that are not closely related is the problem. Years ago, when I first saw the pictures of Tom
Some years ago I made the cross (Therese Bugnut x probably Rugosa Magnifica) x Golden Chersonese. I got lots of seed and lots of germination. I don
There is a wonderful artilce available on the internet at
http://www.olyrose.org/Rosahugonis.htm entitled “Rosa hugonis – An underused Species for Hybridizing by Steve McCulloch” It lists a number of hugonis progeny, the common demoninator is almost invariably a reference to their great vigor – but living in the deep, warm, wet South (New Orleans) I would have been more interested in knowing about their disease resisitance.
Hi Robert,
hugonis is (at least some individuals of that species, of course only few individuals have ecer been tested) resistant against powdery mildew, but not against black spot and downy mildew.
Greetings,
Arno
Hi Arno:
Thanks for info. Even so-called blackspot immune roses often suffer here and mere blackspot resistance is a joke. Enjoyed reading your comment on another of these forums, either “bracteatas” or “hulthemias” about your casual approach to hybridizing. I got out of cross-breeding 30 years ago when I sold my house and rose garden. Back then I used Moore’s Fairy Moss because it ws so easy. Now I have resumed my interest through my daughter’s garden. I have even ordered two custom grown Fairy Moss at $45/each for her although I am amazed at the new possibilities that have come along in the last 30 years while I was out of touch. With the internet we have covered 30 years in about 2 months. Y’all are great out there. Bob
You should get Scarlet Moss and Rose Gilardi. Theyre among my few fave minis, and are moss descendants.
I wonder if the best way to go would be to breed the early yellows with the Pimpinellifoia/spinnosissima family.
Hi Robert!
its wonderful to hear that you make the same experience, well, I am 37 years old, but I am also amazed about the extreme effects of the internet.
Thanks to the forums (also in Germany) I learned to know some really special rose fans, and could for sure safe years of senseless trying with the informations I got within!
Now i have had so much luck in the last years with accumulation of my breeding material, that i nearly can’t believe it.
This summer I will make a big garden party in the small garden a few kilometers away from where I live and where I will breed for the next decades. Yes decades.
Isn’t that what people call luck?
Its nice to be here with such opportunities.
Something will fit. 
Greetings from Germany and good luck with your efforts.
Arno
- Err - one tip: have you ever tried “Carefree Beautie” in your area?
I learned it to know just a few days ago in the Buck Roses Thread, where it had very good marks … and I myself will try to get some, for crossings in the future. 
Actually, here, where practically everything get BS badly, even Carefee Beauty,Home Run, albas, many gallicas, species, etc, hugonis is very clean. Never saw BS on it.
Could be just different clones of hugonis.
Olga
From pollen from Joan, I made the cross Rosa blanda X ‘Golden Chersonese’ I got lots of seed but most fell victim to D Of but I have one medium vigor hybrid that has not yet flowered in 3 yrs. I hope that it just resents of wet summer in the boreal north. I also protect it in fall
I never found ‘Carefree Beauty’ to be the best Buck rose for blackspot resistance, even in the Midwest. It may be better as a breeder than as a garden plant, however (and that goes for any rose).
One cross I made may have been Rosa blanda x ‘Golden Chersonese’ - the unknown is the precise identity of the native rose I used. I always assumed it was R. blanda, but later came to wonder if it could be part R. woodsii. My comments above applied mostly to that cross, since that is the only one I got germinations from (also using Joan’s pollen, for what it’s worth). Congratulations on having a healthy seedlings! From what I’ve done with them so far, I’ve never observed offspring from my wild roses blooming inside of three years.
Jadae: Thanks for tip about Scarlet Moss and Rose Gilardi – I had already ordered a Scarlet Moss for my daughter Adair (zone 8b Alexandria, LA she is the one doing the rose growing under my direction – I foolishly sold my garden and now regret it) about six weeks ago purusant to the kind suggestion of the most helpful ladies at Sequoia, and I am delighted to have the decision to order it confirmed by you. However, I know nothing about Rose Gilardi – please tell me why you are so high on it. Thanks Bob Williams
Arno: I hear that Kordes is coming out with a new group of roses they are calling “Vigarosa.” Do you know anything about them and have you ever seen any of their test gardens. What part of Germany do you live in? How did you get started growing and hybridizing roses? Thanks Bob Williams.
Rose Gilardi is one of the few minis that do no bs/mildew here. It has miniature kordesii foliage. And it is striped! It’s a really nice combo of traits.
I have had a ton of luck with it’s close relation, Shadow Dancer. I have not used Rose Gilardi in breeding yet, mainly because minis are not my personal preference. I prefer shrublets for small spaces.
Jadae: Many thanks for info on Rose Gilardi. Have added it to list for next order. Sounds like just what we are looking for. My daughter LOVES stripes and disease resistance is a must in this climate. She has bought a few non-disease resistant roses on impulse from pretty pictures saying she is willing to spray, but that is because this is her first season and she hasn’t yet experienced the JOY of spraying. Mini’s work well for my daughter because she can plant them between her climbers on her long fence line, thereby maximizing her limited planting space. Have you had any disease problems with Scarlet Moss? I especially appreciate your disease advice as you and my daughter are in the same 8b zone. Do you get a lot of moisture in your part of 8b – it is very wet where we are in southern Louisiana and that adds to disease problems. Many, many thanks. Bob
Scarlet Moss is healthy for me. Yeah, Portland metro is a temperate rainforest, so it is very wey here lol.
"Posted by Robert Williams [email] on Sun, Mar 30, 2008
Arno: I hear that Kordes is coming out with a new group of roses they are calling “Vigarosa.” Do you know anything about them and have you ever seen any of their test gardens. What part of Germany do you live in? How did you get started growing and hybridizing roses? Thanks Bob Williams."
Hi Bob!
I live in Nuremberg, Southern Germany or Northern Bavaria.
I came into growing and hybridizing roses when I asked my father, what he misses in the garden and what should be planted, beneath all the pears, apples and other fruits.
His answer was: “I always wanted to plant a few roses.”
That was his first big fault. 
I tried to grow roses in pots in Berlin, where I had lived for ten years, but I hadn’t been successful.
And now, with that possibility to use some place in the garden of my parents, I had the chance to grow roses and try crossings.
I studied biology, and so my hobby was clearly to try to use my background to get a good start.
Then I asked my father, do you need that room in the cellar, and that room under the roof?
His answer was: " No no, its ok, you can use that space."
That was his second big fault.
So I bought planting lights and in the first three years from 2001/2002 on, I did crossings around the years, saving 1 season every year!
That gave me a lot of pratice in a relatively short time, what of what is possible and what is not possible.
And since 2005 I did species crossings, especially with some candidates, that I estimated to be “healthy” .
2006 I nearly paused, there was only one persica crossing I did (my first one), but without success.
2007 I pollinated around 600 flowers with about 100 different crossings between mid of april and mid of august.
And I got lots more of infos about roses in discussions with other rosists since then.
Further, in discussion, I ordered different resistant species rose types and hybrid hulthemias.
Now I start again - with further material - and I also found really good new friends in 2006 and 2007 via internet, to discuss rose themes deeply.
The main thing is: being honest and looking around.
And now I have got a garden a few kilometers away from where I live, where I plant and cross the spectrum of my roses. Thats the best solution.
My parents will use their garden now for growing less roses - because that had been too much for them over the last few years.
Gretings from Germany,
Arno
Arno: What a delightful biography. How did you get a garden away from where you live? Maybe that is what I should do. There is so much empty land here in New Orleans because Hurricane Katrina destroyed so many houses that it would be easy and not too expensive to buy vacant property near my home. Then I could have a rose garden in addition to that of my daughter and I wouldn’t have to move my house. I would have to set up automatic sprinklers because we go to our house in the mountains for the months of June and October as well as several other weeks whenever we can to escape the heat of New Orleans. How did you decide to choose Hulthemias along with resitant types – is your goal resistant Hulthemia’s and do you have other goals? Best regards – Bob Williams
Jadae: thanks for scarlet moss info. My daughter expects it to be one of the first to bloom in her instant rose garden. Yeah, if anything Portland gets more damp cloudy days than we do, but not the heat. Our heat keeps the mildew season very short here, but the blackspot never lets up. Regards – Bob Williams