Crosses so far 2010

Roses for Hybridizing
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Lemon Fizz(chamblee’s) X Trier

Sunshine(Poly) X Trier

MR1 X Home Run (probably selfs)

Lafter X Abe Darby (lots of hips)

Abe Darby X Lafter (lots of hips)

Gemini X Solitaire

Crimson Glory X MR1

Deep Secret X MR1

Shockwave X Purple Tiger

Purple Tiger X Carefree Sunshine ( 1 hip)

Weisse Immensee X Ovey(Darlow’s Enigma X Lynnie)

Joycie X Arcadia Louisiana Tea

Midnight Blue X The Imposter

Midnight Blue X Hot Cocoa

Midnight Blue X Weisse Immensee

Midnight Blue X (Corylus X R.Fedtschenkoana - foilage is more fragrant than R. Fedtschenkoana).

(R. Glauca X Frontenac) X Home Run

Only about half as many as last year. I have over 200 from last year that I have to over Winter to evaluate further for disease resistance next year.

Patrick

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Hi,

Found the source of hips aborting with this cross. Liz wrote this comment in the above thread in June, 2010.

"Carefree Beauty x Baby Love - I tried this combination 2 years ago and most of the hips aborted. We’ll see what happens this time around. "

Liz, did you get get a good set of hips this year?

Has anyone else tried this cross and what were the F1 results. Had thought of trying this since it combines two parents, CB having excellent horizontal resistance to black spot and BL having excellent vertical resistance. Also have both plants and as Ralph Moore wisely said, “You work with what you have.”

Jim

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Hi Jim, I’m stubborn, so yes I did attempt it again last year. I attempted 12 pollinations with BL on CB and ended up with 4 hips. I also made 6 pollinations with Pretty Lady on CB and ended up with 6 hips. Seeds are still in the fridge for another month. I also put BL and PL on Prairie Celebration this past year. I have hips from both combinations, but again the PL pollinations were close to 100% and BL was closer to 25%.

Liz

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Thanks Liz for the feedback. Please show pics of any flowers you get from the seedlings. This spring I hope to try the CBxBL since I have both roses. May have to start spraying BL since it has been badly attacked by BS or some other fungus disease and the two plants I have keep dying back and resprouting.

Jim

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Jim, I certainly would give it a try. I have several BL seedings involving Folksinger, Loving Touch, Outta the Blue, Gemini, and Karma. Some show far more disease resistance than others. My BL plant has been around for about 5 years, it is an own-root plant, and has always been very healthy. It actually shows some reasonable cold tolerance, without having any protection.

I’ll let you know if the seeds germinate and will post some pictures of any that I keep.

Good luck, Liz

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Out of all the Buck roses I’ve grown here in the mid desert, Folksinger was the worst mildewer. Many were very good plants, but Wandrin’ Wind for rust and Folksinger for mildew were just horrid. Kim

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yeah Kim, it was bad here too. It is no longer in my backyard. Surprisingly the mini seedling from the cross w/ BL does not have mildew issues, it does have some black spot issues. It might be joining Folksinger this summer…

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Several of the more satisfying ones there and then were Serendipity, Gentle Persuasion, Prairie Star (neat, odd fragrance with pretty form and color, nice foliage, too), Prairie Harvest and nearly all the stippled ones. I love Prairie Lass, too, for the health and heavily veined petals. A real surpise has been Grace Note. It’s a stippled I’d not had until this summer, thanks to Cliff. It’s still potted, surrounded by some very black spotted seedlings and cuttings and it is totally spotless, full of gorgeous foliage. I’m going to give it a try this year.

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I’ve “sorted through” a fair number of the Buck roses up here too. Lets see, the keepers for me are Earth Song, Prairie Harvest and Carefree Beauty. Gone are Golden Unicorn, Folksinger, Aunt Honey, Hawkeye Belle, Hi Neighbor, Prairie Sunrise, Wild Ginger, Music Maker, and Distant Drums. I have a few seedlings involving Folksinger, Prairie Sunrise and Distant Drums still kicking around. Perhaps the most intriguing is a group of four from Everest Double Fragrance x P. Sunrise, great scent. I have a seedling from P. Harvest x Red Fairy that is kind of interesting too. I’ve been toying with trying Summer Wind, but have not gotten around to it yet.

Jim, I also remembered that I have a Everest Double Fragrance x Baby Love seedling that is quite nice.

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Liz, if you have time, can you detail each of your Buck keepers/goners? Even better – detail your findings for where you live on HMF. I think it would be of great value to all of us.

My personal findings are:

Summer Wind: I am in love. Its basically the Buck poly type. No blackspot, immense branching habit, small plant, pretty color, repeats per stem and not per wave and is highly fertile. Its definitely a border rose in Oregon. It is by no means large. Wild rose scent.

I may try Summer Wind x (Livin Easy x Baby Love) this summer because I believe it would be useful to create a tetraploid pelargonidin type similar to a polyantha.

Sevilliana: Floribunda on steroids. Blooms in waves. No disease. Harsh color. Excellent seed set. No scent.

Distant drums: Wonderful as a plant, horrid breeder. Large thorns. Beautiful color and scent. It had gall once but Chlorox directly on winter branches killed it after the “gall surgery”. No disease specifically but it didnt feel as if it was specifically resistant.

Summer Sunrise: Its Amber Queen 2.0. Its still too new to evaluate.

Hawkeye Belle: I cannot say I like it. Its basically a Buck HT. I may like it as it matures but the blooms melt and they dont really have presence. It is as if everything is “almost there” but the combination of the whole leaves you wanting something else. I think the twiggy habit for such large blooms was annoying to me. It really only made my nieces want to strip the plant of its large petals because they hung down so low.

Winter Sunset: Too new to say yet. The fade is annoying though. The shape is pretty.

I grew the two Buck mauves. They were equally awfully. Spindley, blackspot messes with thin petals. It was a nice attempt at a color class doomed to not be sustainable in that era.

I would really appreciate feed back from anyone on Aunt Honey, April Moon, Quietness, Barn Dance, Dorcas, Mountain Music, Prairie Star, and Malaguena.

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I am still waiting for the Rosa glutinosa seeds to germinate. I soaked half of them in willow water out of curiousity. If too many germinate, I think I may be lining someone’s acreage with them, LOL. I’ll probably also end up with too many Summer Wind x John Cabot. Talk about an accidental line breed for Rosa laxa, lol. I was just looking for something to take the LCL habit out of John Cabot, LOL.

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Prairie Star has been a nice rose here for a very long time. I grafted one onto Therese Bugnet when trying that out as a rootstock. It did fine. Never a big bush for me, best blooms in autumn, gets moderate BS. Last year it accepted pollen from Carefree Copper, but not this year from either CC or Rainbow KO. Seems to not set OP, too many petals, too few stamens. Looks like it might do well with a strong yellow added.

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Hmm, I am not so worried about the color (although I prefer to stay away from hard tones). I am actually looking for Buck types to add creating salmon, blush, coral, peach and apriot toned floribundas of increaced health, vigor, rooting and branching. I am also, for everyone’s sake, wanting to learn which Buck roses do what so that we have a collective idea of what to bring forward from his pioneering work.

By the way, Flower Carpet Amber wholly rejected the pollen of CC :frowning:

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Jadae,

QUIETNESS- don’t have Quietness (Richmond, VA) but the rose garden at the Lewis Ginter Botanical Garden where I volunteer has it. Of course everything is minimally sprayed. The plant seems uprightish, has smallish prickles in moderate amounts, to me the scent is not strong, the flower is full, like an OGR, and of a pink with mauvish leanings. I looked at it many times (was considering getting it) since it has been so highly praised on the Garden Web rose forums but each time I think, it’s not for me-just a personal thing. I feel that “zing” with the roses I most like, even despite their faults. CB has its faults but when she gives a large perfect bloom, I just melt. Earth Song is the better plant and flower objectively speaking but doesn’t zing for me.

SUMMER WIND-Was at Roses Unlimited a few years ago and Pat Henry the co-owner was going through the greenhouse beds and was grooming the Summer Wind plants and I remember her saying this was a good plant to have. She recommended it highly.

WINTER SUNSET-I LOVE Winter Sunset. In Virginia, I had it and Prairie Harvest growing next to each other partially shaded under a tulip tree seedling which had sprung up. I use to love to look from the distance and see the yellow and apricot flowers intermingled…pretty. The color then was a nice medium apricot and stayed that way. In NY, I now have Winter Sunset planted in a sunny exposed location and during this summer, I noticed the blooms fade badly to an almost white; I was so surprised! In the fall, the blooms stayed their usual apricot color. You might try relocating it where it is not in direct mid day sun. It is between Carefree Beauty and Earth Song in NY which held their color in the strong summer sunlight. I am on Long Island which is just east of NY City, Manhattan.

Wild Ginger and Prairie Sunrise did not do well for me and bit the dust. I retried PS but it died for me again.Part of it was my fault since I did not give it maximum care but I found it lacked vigor though the flowers and scent were great.

Jim

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Prairie Harvest, Carefree Beauty, Earth Song and Country Dancer are my best Bucks here on the Gulf coast so far. Prairie Harvest in 2 years has not lost any leaves to any disease, it has really surprised me, Even Carefree Beauty has some blackspot in the Fall. It sets hips easily and germination is about average. Did not use it last year to let it grow up. Have lots of plans for it this year.

Patrick

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Jadae, I’m in Guelph Ontario, about 45 mins. west of Toronto. Here are my recollections on the Buck roses that I’ve tossed. Most of them were tossed because they had disease, winter hardiness and vigor issues. Generally the disease that I have the most problems with is black spot, but Folksinger also showed mildew problems. All of these are/were on muliflora rootstock.

Aunt Honey - good vigor, great winter hardiness, stingy with the flowers and after several attempts was not able to use it as either a seed or pollen parent.

Golden Unicorn - vigor issues, disease issues, winter hardiness issues.

Folksinger - biggest issue was disease, good winter hardiness, good seed parent.

Hawkeye Belle - disease, winter hardiness and vigor issues

Hi Neighbor - disease, winter hardiness and vigor issues

Prairie Sunrise - amazing flowers, great scent, but the plant lacked vigor, used it as a pollen parent. Winter hardiness was so-so.

Wild Ginger - disease, winter hardiness and vigor issues

Music Maker - disease, winter hardiness and vigor issues

Distant Drums - unique color, but terrible plant with disease, winter hardiness and vigor issues.

So after pitching 9 Buck roses, only three have survived the cut: Carefree Beauty, Earth Song and Prairie Harvest. I am definitely going to order Summer Wind and give that a try this year. In general the roses that as a group have lived up to their billing for me are the Explorer roses from the Ottawa Station. I have been massively disappointed in the Parkland series. I think that the Ottawa environment is closer to what Guelph is like, while the Iowa and Manitoba environments are just different enough that many of those roses do not live up to their potential. Now having said this, I do have a handful of Morden Sunrise seedlings that are doing quite well, even though Morden Sunrise hit the compost bin a few years ago.

I may have inadvertently stumbled onto a genetic background that “tames” the LCL habit. I have a whack of Alberta x John Cabot seedlings from the 2008 crop that seem to not be expressing the LCL habit, at least as 2-year-olds. I’ve got some Alberta x William Baffin and ALberta x Prairie Celebration seeds in the fridge to see if this works again.

Liz

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Liz,

There was a thread on the Garden Web rose forums a while back. The poster, Rick, posts as Rideau Rose Lad. He lives just south of Ontario and two of his rose recommendations that did very well for him were the Buck roses, Prairie Harvest and Pearly Mae.

Pearlie Mae is a rather buxomish bicolor pink/apricot. For me in NY it was more pink- a lighter shade on the inside of the petals and a deeper pink on the outside. Do a search on Help Me Find. I just love both of them-yeah, they zing for me. He showed a lot of pics from his garden. You can do a search for the post on Garden Web. I also vaguely recall Pearlie Mae sets seed (an amateur hybridizer mentioned it.)

Jim

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Mike asked about April Moon. AM is one ofthe better Bucks here (Ohio). Ours came from RU in 2007. Gets blackspot; about 30% foliage retention last August. Vigorous growth. Smooth stems. Blooms are large and well-formed. Color fades. Very prolific bloomer. Winter hardiness about same as Carefree Beauty. Poor seed setter; 14 pollinations in 2010 produced zero hips. Good pollinator; about a dozen 2010 seedlings from AM pollen were keepers, most with about 90% foliage retention, mostly yellows, whites, apricots, no pinks. AM is in many ways a yellow version of it’s ancestor Apricot Nectar.

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Someone posted this shot of a recent British introduction called Drama Queen. It’s a Horner rose out of Baby Love. No doubt, the stripped component was from Ralph. Kim

Link: www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.63333

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Their striped stud is: [Southampton