Michael,
Is that based on AD or L83 parentage? I actually wouldn’t mind a pillar rose in yellow, peach or apricot. I’m hoping Golden Angel will provide some smaller stature plants though. This is the first time I’ve gotten AD seeds to germinate. Thanks.
Rob
All 4 grandparents, yeah. I dont forsee not getting a portion of pillar types. I think it will be a mixed bag. Almost every line in that cross is climber potent. I think you could easily get more than one goal out of that cross if you find any you like from it, being that any cross is a gamble, of course.
A nice pillar would be cool. It’s always a gamble and crap most likely will turn up but the imagining of possibilities is a fun part of the process. Thanks Michael.
How neat, Suzan! Darlow’s has always “felt” related to Nastrana to me. It will be interesting to hear your take on it once it’s bitten you. Here, it was a huge, ever flowering thing, intensely shade tolerant and insistent upon taking all the real estate it wanted. I used to hedge clipper it to keep the paths by it open and it responded by pushing new growth in all directions. It made a very nice wall/hedge of dark green, intensely thorny foliage studded with very fragrant clusters of white flowers. I liked the rose a lot. It was one I bought from Heirloom back in the early 90s when I still did any business with them.
oh Kim, that is cool because there will be a space alongside nastarana and a double white pimpinellifolia - part of a planned low(ish) hedge based on the English hedge laying system. Thinking DE will make a great allotment (tough) rose.
DE IS a tough rose! There was a huge Mexican Elderberry Mexican elderberry growing between the green and the garden. To extend the “hedge”, I had planted a Calycanthus occidentalis a friend had raised from seed. Ralph Moore’s Cee Dee Moss helped give some prickly inhibition to anyone wandering through the hedge on the western end. To the east, I put DE between the Calycanthus and the golf course to fill in around everything as you expect expanding foam insulation to. It did! There was a fruiting olive on the golf course which had gotten rather large. I had a LARGE semi dwarf Meyer Lemon someone had dug from one of the units in the community and the gardening staff had brought down to plant in one of MY rose beds. It terminated the larger plantings in that bed so the Elderberry, Calycanthus, lemon and DE made up the spine and structure of the hedge. On the south side, which was actually facing uphill or up the slope, I’d planted floribundas and minis to pave the surface with color and cram in as much texture and fragrance as possible. Because that was the “entrance” to the garden from the community’s private golf course, I planted Griffith Buck’s “Hi, Neighbor”, a rose I seriously never cared for, but loved using for the name in that spot.
Darlow filled in around everything under the canopy of the Elderberry and flowered year round. It never seemed to need sun to do its thing and NOTHING bothered it, NOTHING. It smelled quite good in that skunky, bitter sweet multiflora type scent, what most now call “rich musk scent” from the “Hybrid Musks” which ARE multifloras. That plant grew densely enough to stop errant golf balls from hitting anyone sitting on the bench behind it. It filled in so densely there was little light passing through that hedge to the lawn on the north of it.
The entire thing was capped by Clematis Montana Rubens, which smelled very much vanilla out there and my favorite Jasminum officinale with its citrus scented flowers. It was a dense jumble of prickles, tendrils, flowers and textures which I had to rake out annually to prevent over wintering of desert vermin but it was spectacular in flower and scent!
Yipee spring has sprung in my basement!!
Paintbrush x John Cabot
Luis Desamero x A. MacKenzie
Prairie Celebration x Paintbrush
Prairie Celebration x Champlain
Alberta x William Baffin
Alberta x Paintbrush
Unfortunately I also now have a seed tray of mixed up seedlings as it fell on the floor… Oh well, it will be fun speculating on the parentages. They were either Carefree Beauty crosses involving L83, Paintbrush, Pretty Lady, or unknowns (unreadable tags), or OPs from Baby Love, WIlliam Baffin, R. woodsii collected from Trappers Lake, (Loving Touch x Baby Love) seedling, or (Morden Sunrise x William Baffin) seedling.
How awful Liz! But, you are NOT alone! There is a story of a “horticulturist” who visited Ralph Moore a number of years ago. I believe I remember who it was, but to avoid besmirching someone incorrectly, I’ll keep the name confidential. Ralph took him through his seedling houses and the man fell quiet while walking down the aisle. Ralph turned just in time to see him faint from the heat right into a table of many planted seed flats! The gentleman wasn’t hurt, he just wasn’t up to the high heat and humidity that Ralph’s body demanded. It happens to us all! Mine have usually been due to the vermin getting in to steal the tags, or fouling up in transplanting the danged things.
Liz
What is your source for minis?
Lydia, I’ve gotten my minis mail order from a place out west called The Heather Farm. They have a great assortment of minis, actually that is the only type of roses that they carry. Paint Brush and Luis Desamero both came from there as well as Loving Touch, Ralph’s Creeper and Yellow Magic. They are all own root. I probably place an order with them every 3rd year or so.
Kim, what a story!
Link: www.theheatherfarm.com/
Thanks, Liz. I am honestly impressed by the Heatherfarm mini list! They offer Sweet Nothings and Robin Redbreast, two which are not available easily otherwise. Both have been great roses here in the Los Angeles area. Sweet Nothings is actually violet, so if you’re looking for purple…
Aww, they have Mood Music but dont export to US lol. Bummer, so close but so far.
Thanks a lot Liz. I miss the pre free-trade days when we could order easily from the US.
So Kim and Jadae, I sense that you are endorsing Sweet Nothings, Robin Redbreast and Mood Music, eh??
Lydia, you are more than welcome. I was not rose shopping in those days, but it must have been fantastic. Although this does help me limit my purchases and keep me from seriously overcrowding my flower beds…
Sweet Nothings and Robin Redbreast, yes. I grew Mood Music years ago. I had to. It was Ralph’s and I wanted to see what he saw in everything he created. It was OK. Nothing about it grabbed me, but then nothing about anything with Rumba in it grabbed me. I grew the mosses from Rumba and found them interesting because of the color, size and repeat flowering ranges, but once they were through, that was it. I didn’t like Masquerade and honestly haven’t liked anything bred from it or its line. That color shift is “dirty” to me. I love Mutabilis, just not “this”, nor the mauve version in things like Paradise, Angel Farts, etc.
Sweet Nothings is always PURPLE in Valencia. It does set seed and it has vicious prickles. It may be a function of climate, but it has always been spotless there. It IS nicely fragrant, too and I love that it’s from La Marne. Robin Redbreast was beautiful here and always impressed me of holding a lot of promise. Looks good on HMF.
Liz,
No, I am not endorsing it. Verizon MURDERED (lol…) my Mood Music, Dreseden Doll and Carefree Marvel. Comcast killed Stretch Johnson about 10 years ago, so I guess it was Verizon’s turn to dig up roses in the middle of the summer. So I am not specifically endorsing it, although I do want to use both mini mosses as pollen parents. I am merely wishing I could re-purchase them because I thought they looked cool.
Today:
OP seed from what has been called “Skinner’s Red Leaf Perpetual”. SRLP is possibly an F2 of ‘Carmenetta’. Hoping for purple leaves/canes, repeat bloom and fertility.
Wow Jadae, you seem to have some rather unique ‘pest’ issues with your roses…
Yeah, they dont make sprays for those, lol.
They DO, but that kind of “spray” is illegal in most communities. hehehe I guess it’s the lead content?