L83 X Stanwell Perpetual
R. bracteata X Magic Wand
(Joycie X Magseed) X Suzanne
[(0-47-19 X self) X R. clinophylla] X Old Blush
[(Sheri Anne X Out of Yesteryear) X Magseed] X Scabrosa
Trier X R. foliolosa
0-47-19 X Candy Oh Vivid Red (2X parents, both)
I prefer to work close to the species now (species hybrids) and avoid as much as possible the influence of modern HTs and Floribundas. Personally, I see little point in stirring the same old pot over and over, but thats just my opinion FWIW.
Those are wonderful Paul.
Knowing what I know now, I would avoid using ‘Old Blush’ directly in favor of rouletti or others.
OB tends to pass along it’s tendency toward Powdery Mildew.
Breeding away from susceptibility to Powdery Mildew in some of the Asian species continues to be, and is going to be a challenge.
Robert,
I used Old Blush because it has good genes for fast and generous repeat, and is a diploid. Mainly it was used in this case to preserve (hopefully) fertility and keep things working on the diploid level. If these seeds germinate, then I think I will select other diploids to repeat the cross, using better selections.
“because it has good genes for fast and generous repeat, and is a diploid”
Yes, I know, but I would also consider other options. As you know Avery Tunningley has used ‘Old Blush’ quite often.
Mildew is rarely a problem for him because of his conditions. He rarely sees it but I grow several of his hybrids which do show susceptibility.
PM is the only thing I can test for. Conditions here are ideal for it certain times of the year.
I think Old Blush is primarily to blame for the PM problems I’ve been fighting in Lila Banks descendants. Avoiding it from the beginning would have been very helpful.
This said, without Old Blush, Lila Banks would never have happened. Sometimes we have to take the good with the bad and move forward.
Its hard to cull for mildew here. In the greenhouse it happens to most all plants at some point in the year, and outside, it rarely ever happens to ANY, so selecting it out is difficult.
I hear you. It’s the same thing here when trying to guess what’s going to Blackspot in other climates.
On some level we will probably never be able to breed for all climates. I remember seeing “Knock Out” here for the first time at the Huntington a few years ago. I was never so disappointed. It was a runty looking, covered in mildew, with a few sad insipid looking blossoms. Obviously Southern CA isn’t much to it’s liking. I used to think most all roses except those requiring chill did well here, but not so.
I remember seeing “Knock Out” here for the first time at the Huntington a few years ago. I was never so disappointed
I’m just back from a week in Washington, DC where Knock Out is the plant of choice for municipal use. It is everywhere, from street corners and medians to hedge rows at the Watergate to beds along the National Mall. Despite the temperatures in the 90’s and humidity to match, I didn’t see a bit of blackspot or defoliation.
The other thing that impressed me was that it continues to bloom profusely despite the summer heat. Whatever makes it susceptable to mildew must be a west coast phenomenon.
“Whatever makes it susceptable to mildew must be a west coast phenomenon”
Absolutely, but West coast is where many people live as well.
Like I said we will probably never be able to breed roses for all climates. We have to go with what works where we hybridize.
If I had seen ‘Knock Out’ as a seedling I’m sure it would have ended up in the compost pile.
If I had seen ‘Knock Out’ as a seedling I’m sure it would have ended up in the compost pile.
Me too. This worries me, actually. For that reason I am keeping any seedlings that have reasonable disease resistance no matter what they look like.
Double Red Knock Out isnt too bad as far as aesthetics go. We sell them at work to Lowes by the godsend, but they still dont enthuse. I cannot blame the public, though. I think spraying carcinogens as a requirement for roses is bull. However, The KO series has a long ways to go to be aesthetic.
Robert, Home Run may be better re: mildew for you. I’m probably gonna cross your Armada x Lila Banks, which I affectionately call Robert’s #4, to Shockwave next year. It also has Baby Love in it. Hopefully that will aid in mildew resistance.
Speaking of all of the above, I think Playboy was such a fitting name. Look at it’s descendants, lol.
Jadae, I wouldn’t bother with #4. I have others from that same cross that are superior with proven fertility that I can let you have now, plus others if you’re interested.
I’ve moved on. Much of the new stuff is completely clean here so far. The new banksia derivatives have come a long way. I’m working on a diploid line now too.
Yes, ‘Home Run’ is much superior to ‘Knock Out’ here in CA in terms of growth and disease resistance. I found ‘Home Run’ to be extremely fertile as pollen parent compared to what I’m used to working with, despite being triploid.
In fact it was so fertile for me that I only kept it one season. I still have too many descendants.
One of my earliest crosses with ‘Home Run’ will be introduced soon. So far I honestly think it’s much superior to ‘Home Run’. The growth and habit/architecture is much better and it’s more floriferous. It’s suppose to have outstanding Fall color. I suspect it’s more cold hardy.
Roses Unlimited has been testing it and will release it soon as, ‘Miracle on the Hudson’. I let them choose the name. They are quite enthusiastic about it. Apparently it’s bullet proof in the Carolinas and as you know, that’s saying something. It’s never shown a trace of Mildew here for me.
It probably should have been patented. It’s a terrible time to release a new roses but it really is nice as far as landscape Shrubs go.
I wish I had better photos. It’s one of those roses that’s so brilliant that it’s difficult to photograph, at least for me, with my camera.
I also need decent photos showing the outline and architecture of the entire plant. It really is outstanding.
“‘Miracle on the Hudson’”
Oh dear. I wish I could say that name was appealing to me. Still, I wish it all the success in the world.
Names are funny. You never know what’s going to sell.
It’s a great rose no matter what it’s called. For that I am thankful. Thankful too that I have those who are interested in promoting it for me.
Indeed, having a big company take an interest is a GREAT thing, congrats.
Enrique, Livin’ Easy X R. kordesii is very double and has few anthers or pistils, especially in the first flush. I have only gotten a few seedlings from it so far, but they have been pretty good.
A few of this year’s seedlings that are performing well so far:
Ebb Tide X Purple Tiger - healthy, fragrant, purple-striped floribunda
Orangeade X (Baby Love X unknown) - a mini that has yellow petals with orange edges; very healthy and floriferous, and hopefully more fertile than its pollen parent
Gilbert Nabonnand X R. gigantea - several very healthy, very vigorous seedlings that haven’t bloomed yet
Magenta X Basye’s 86-3 - Basye’s 86-3 is the amphidiploid of R. banksiase X R. laevigata.
A few of last year’s seedings that are doing well:
(Lilac Charm X Purple Heart) X Royal Amethyst
Danae X Mutabilis
Lyda Rose X Lorraine Lee
Apricot Twist X Ed Yesan
Those seedlings sound great Jim.
I’m especially curious about Magenta x 86-3. I hope to get to use 86-3 next season. Does the foliage clearly show hybridity?
I dunno, Robert. Ive grown fond of Robert’s #4 
It is, in essence, eaxactly what I’d want a pink floribunda to be, except for the mildew issue lol. I think what I like about it is the size of the sprays, the plant architecture and the ease in which it produces new wood.
It’s good to hear #4 is working for you Jadae. I rooted a few cuttings that ended up going to Mike Fitts before I sent the original seedling to you.
I haven’t heard how #4 is faring in Ohio. I wonder if it spots?
I decided to keep working with #2 and #3.
#1 turned out to be a vigorous repeat flowering climber but it was more susceptible to PM than the others so I let it go.
I got one nice PM resistant seedling out of #1 but haven’t done a thing with it. I am so overwhelmed now I doubt I will have time to pursue it.
What do you plan using with #4 jadae? All of these seedling have been fertile in both directions. I have to assume they made the jump to tetraploid.
Robert, I’m not at all certain about Magenta X 86-3. Time will tell… BTW, I have a few hips on Lila Banks and on Joycie X Lila Banks.
Jim, I remember Ray Ponton telling me that he hadn’t been able to make progress with 86-3. That’s the main reason I hadn’t pursued it.
Please keep me in mind for updates on your seedling(s).
‘Lila Banks’ will sometimes produce viable seed. You might give it a go.
That particular Joycie x Lila Banks seedling will likely work better as pollen parent. It produced a few viable seed last season but the percentage wasn’t very good for me.
If you are interested I have several other Lila Banks descendants here I can let you have. I know they are fertile.