Where can I buy hybrid rose hips / rose seeds?

Hey, it’s me again, I hope you all are having a wonderful day! :hugs:

Briefly, I’m not a professional breeder but an amateur gardener who is interested in growing roses from seeds because I think it’s exciting to see what will pop out from them, so that, since rose seeds (apart from garden party rose seeds, which I already have) aren’t really a thing you can buy (actually you can, as you know, the problem is they have a limited commercial availability) and grow… could you tell me where (or from whom) can I buy rose seeds that aren’t botanical species or garden party variety?

I’m interested in growing Rouletii, Oakington ruby, pompon de Paris, Unermüdliche, and other dwarf chinas such as sí, perla de alcanada, estrellita de oro, baby Faurax, perla de Montserrat, and other lawranceanas / dwarf chinas?

As I implicitly stated before, I’m aware they don’t breed true from seed, it doesn’t matter at all, in fact, this surprise factor is a plus I really appreciate, I just want to grow them and see what I will get -one of the reasons I want to grow them from seed is because I live in Mexico so that importation of cuttings and living plants is kind of expensive / complicated-!

TYSM in advance for your help! :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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You should state where you are located as it is very difficult to get plant material of any kind into many countries without the appropriate paperwork. That includes seeds. From experience, the inspections required for the appropriate paperwork to export legally are expensive and a royal pain, which is why I won’t do it.

Beware of buying seeds of any kind through Ebay and the other online selling sites as they often are NOT what is advertised. I’ve known folks who purchased “rose seeds” and raised weeds from them.

Your best bet would be to ask for them on sites such as this or perhaps Garden Web/Houzz in the “Roses” or “Antique Roses” forums, Antique Roses Forum - GardenWeb , as long as you are located within the continental United States.

The main issue I foresee for you is there aren’t as many people growing the varieties you ask about as there was a decade ago. Add Si and Hi don’t set seed in my experience. They may form hips but they are most often empty.

A Premium membership to Help Me Find-Roses will help you greatly. It costs $24 a YEAR and opens all the search areas you need to research roses on the site. For example, searching sources for Perla de Alcanada, the gardens growing it which are listed, the first two are archives to show was USED to exist but is no longer. John Bagnasco’s Home Garden and Friends of Vintage Gardens list they grow it but they are associated with a rose society for auctions (in John’s case) and their own fund raising in Vintage’s case. Neither is likely to be able to assist in obtaining seeds from their collection. The final garden is the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden. Their interactive on line catalog shows they no longer have that rose. https://fm70.triple8.net/fmi/webd/HRGMaster

Unfortunately, none of the nurseries listed as selling the rose is in the United States so if you are, your best bet is to watch for the CCRS rose auctions (which is associated with the Bagnasco garden) https://www.ccrsauction.com/ and the Friends of Vintage https://thefriendsofvintageroses.org/ sales to see if they are ever listed as available from those sources. CCRS ships, Vintage does not. Looking up Montserrat, the availability is even more restricted. Faurax should be fairly easily obtainable (Burlington should have it) and a number of us grow it. Estrellita de Oro nearly doesn’t exist anywhere in comparison. Rouletii, Pompon de Paris and Oakington Ruby should be relatively easier to obtain.

Unfortunately, for rose availability, you are about forty years too late. Availability of odd, weird and wonderful things reached its last zenith in the US in the late eighties to nearly mid nineties. Then, there were MANY mom and pop mini nurseries around the country, offering all sorts of wonders. Miniature Plant Kingdom brought in material from all over the world, sometimes even legally! Sequoia Nursery offered a selection unlikely to ever be seen again here. Definitely search the lists from Burlington Roses, available by emailing BurlingtonRoses@aol.com and requesting her mini and large rose lists. Again, though, only if you’re in the US as I don’t believe she exports.

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Oh, I’m sorry for causing such a hassle, my bad, answering to your question, I live in Mexico and I don’t know how to modify my profile to add that info!

I’ve bought seeds from overseas in the past, in fact, this is the only way I can grow ID roses because there are no official rose distributors in this country (in nurseries and garden centres you can only find no ID roses); for instance, the garden party roses I grew this year are from a seed supplier located in the Baltics, so I have a little experience on seed importation from overseas and, as long as postal service doesn’t detect them, you can get almost any kind of seed you want!

It doesn’t matter if I can’t get seeds of all of the roses varieties I want, I would be really happy and satisfied if I just get a few of them (I’m particularly interested in Rouletii, Oakington ruby, baby Faurax, and pompon de Paris… but other dwarf chinas and their hybrids are really welcomed), so again, I may adapt my requests to what is available out there!

Forty years ago my mother was barely an adult, I’m aware I’m kind of late right now but that’s something I can’t really change because I was born in very late nineties when B. Spears released …BOMT (my username)! :joy:

TYSM for such a detailed response! I really appreciate it! :heart_hands:t2:

PS: Burling doesn’t ship overseas, at least not to Mexico and Canada (it’s stated on HMF) and I doubt she sells rose seeds! :frowning:

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No worries, you haven’t caused any hassles. You may be able to obtain seeds and such more easily than we can here in the US, I don’t know. Your Agriculture Department would be the determining body about that. I totally get the “want”, as I’ve been there MANY times and I also understand the joy of finding. I hope knowing where you are helps open doors to get you what you desire. Fingers crossed!

It’s been a while since I’ve altered my profile so I don’t remember how to do it off the top of my head. Hopefully, someone will have that information to share faster than I find where to dig it out.

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Hello BabyOneMoreTime, a warm welcome from me too!

You can find under the tab button ‘Preferences’ the button ‘Profile’. There you can add your location. I hope this information helps and will work this way.

I wish you the best of luck in your project!

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Church- and grave-yards tend to have at least a few to several roses growing in them. Many are very old varieties. Botanical Gardens and parks also might be a source of rose-hips. ALWAYS ASK FIRST.

It’s easy to select for dwarf and early-bloom (and thus repeat-flowering) characteristics from the resulting seedlings. Even ‘Mutabilis’ has given me small offspring of rather polyantha-like character.

Exporting even rose seeds to Mexico requires a USDA Phytosanitary Certificate, and as Kim has said, that paperwork is cumbersome and very expensive. For that reason, I won’t export plant material anymore either. Exporting plant material from the USA without proper documentation makes the sender subject to federal fines, and I know someone who had that happen to them (it was an accident that paperwork was omitted) and there’s no way I would want to be in that situation.

Unfortunate, because I could supply as much Oakington Ruby seed as you could possibly want. My plant is 23 years old and stands 8 feet tall now!

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