Jim P, I am not sure to the extent to which ‘Buccaneer’ got to around the world, but over here at the time you could find it everywhere. Now adays it is hard to find, I can only find 2 nurseries that carry it now. Being isolated here in Oz it took a lot of time to receive material, originally from England and as time went on the USA and other countries.
As for ‘Buccaneer’ with something modern, I would love ‘Julia’s Child’. Quarrantine will prevent it’s getting here for a long time or ever. More research to find cost of importing(piggy backing on imported wood from your side of the world) this might work if the importing nursery and sending nursery agree with my idea.
Warren’s crosses are appropriate for his climate. MANY of the older HTs were not good without chemical intervention. Buccaneer is a very interesting rose, and not a “garden plant”, but more of a climber left unsupported. It really has taken a century to get almost fairly decent yellow roses. If your goal is to breed primarily for your climate, explore. It’s probably a good teaching exercise. You should be ruthless in selecting seedlings. Select for good plant at the expense of the yellow flower. What we’ve suffered for the past hundred years has been pretty much the reverse of that advice. Best flower on an “OK” plant.
While your at it start weaning the seedlings away from these idealistic potting mixes. You wouldn’t plant a carrot in those mixes would you. All the seeds last year went into home made compost and the seedlings transplanted into the same with some modification. Neil
Red tape aside (and assuming one has no prior industry knowledge /experience in actually importing budwood) there are other things to consider as well.
For example, if one wants to breed with some fairly recently developed CV (from e.g. the USA) which has not been released here in Australia, and one considers to import budwoods of that CV to generate a plant here to use for that sole breeding purpose, one would first want to get clear unambiguous written permission for such importation / usage from the breeder of that CV, and/or their agent. That in itself might prove problematic depending on the various circumstances at play.
Maybe you already know about all of this stuff David, dunno!
In any case, “hava nice arvo” Dave, as we say locally!!!
Kim, have you got any of ‘Julia’s Child’ seed or can you point me in the right direction who might. I will pay handsomely for it. As for ,Buccaneer’, over here we would call it a ‘grandiflora’.
As for my climate, Warren’s and mine are similar. No, lets try for one that might grow down at George’ s V place.
Ruthless with seedlings, NO, I might cull the important one.
Neil, yes the potting mixes need addressing, I am thinking back to one of our rose growers/breeders, Roy Rumsey , he used only local soils from his property.
George, I was taught to find the market then develop the product(research first) for market. If you have the product first you have to do alot of marketing, I will explain in PM to you, so do not take offence to my wording, it’s the way I speak, no plums here.
I don’t grow Julia in my garden, David, but there is this one at a client’s house which often sets hips I miss when grooming it. I’ll watch for them as the summer progresses.
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I raised a Selfridges x Freedom many years ago. Even though it aquired the best traits of both, it still is not good enough, and I still have not raised any improvements since then. I try every year tho. Here is a photo of it:
If I had Brindabella LeadingGold, I’d try it on my seedling for sure.
IMO and my eye, if I had all three to play with Roar would be my first choice, how does it hold, time wise. Then I would use Selfridges x Freedom, th eshot of the opening bud tell me it could be of exhibition form. BLG is nice but not for me.
Roar! has architecture like French Lace. It doesnt have the tenderness issues, though. It would be considered a “flora-tea”. With that said, its being tested. Also, It isnt seed parent material. I do have a seedling of it, which is Tequila x Roar!. That would be the product of Bonica/Golden Holstein/Princess Alice/Freedom. It is a yellow shrub, with a plant sort of like a 3’ version of Erfurt. I’ll breed it back into floribundas. I have been lacing floribundas and shrubs for years in an effort to improve floribunda plants. For example, I kept a coral-red shrublet bred from Remembrance x Double Red Knock Out. It’s purpose is also for this goal of improved floribundas.
Selfridges x Freedom is a true hybrid tea, which is my goal. I want a color-steady yellow HT that doesnt sulk in bad weather, look disease-ridden, or have awful die-back issues, in which can be used for the garden of the kitchen table. It’s a simple request, really =p
By the way, if I were to start over with species for a hardy yellow, I’d probably try Bright Smile x Scotch Briars. I am pretty sure it is from the R. rubiginosa line of yellows, except that it is dwarf, colorfast, and highly repeating. I am also fairly certain that the unknown portion of its breeding is the likely extinct ‘Yellow Ribbon’ found in Martin & Rix’s book on roses, especially since Freedom can produce chlorophyll.
I had not thought of that George, thinking cap on, it is more the ancestery of it opposed to SdO. It’s the yellow with something smaller, not sure yet.
If ya want smaller kids, consider combining it with some yellow mini like Rise N’ Shine (Moore 1977)? …or even Golden Angel (Moore 1975)…I STILL cannot find that rose here in Oz!!! …or a well behaved and super healthy floribunda like BrindabellaLeading Gold (CHEwevegolove).
If my memory serves me right I think some nursery in South Australia might have been rumoured to have GA when I made some enquiries a couple of years back. I got sidetracked with other life events and let that “supposed lead” go by the wayside. Let me try and track it down in the next couple of days again. Will give feedback here. It wouldn’t surprise me if there are Aussies here on this forum who already have GA??!!