All corporate marketing is manipulation, isn’t it? I’m not sure if it ever has been anything else and that’s not just roses. Ever see anyone, male or female, look like those runway models? Isn’t that why you would hope to see new roses in real life before buying those images-and except maybe here on RHA, most photos show roses in their best, not worst light? And if one is a half decent photographer they might try to manipulate a photo to show a rose at it’s best (or better) rather than realistically. One of the beauties of HMF is seeing roses in many of their real states. I am not sure I have ever seen realistic photos of roses in the rose catalogs, and yellow roses are probably the biggest offenders.
“All corporate marketing is manipulation, isn’t it?”
Well, clearly that is true, of course. 
However, the issue I wanted to point out was that the truth was being “bent” in this instance more than was necessary to get the point across. I suspect the photo was just fine before it was tint-shifted, and so the result is that many people will view this image and know they are being told an untruth. JMO, of course.
You mean like the lavender flowers with cobalt blue foliage? hehehe Kim
Paul, purely for my curiosity, could you tell me how you recognize a color shift done after the photo was taken, as distinct from using a very subdued lighting perhaps of an incandescent type. I know you’ve far more photo experience than any of the rest of us.
I’m curious because I picked up a rose at our local supermarket that was nearly that intense in color. Flowers lasted an incredible length of time and were very double. Unfortunately all the leaves fell off with blackspot a few weeks later. It came from a place in Santa Barbara in April or so. Not a good seed setter but did set a couple hips, one with self pollen, the other with whatever I had to use, probably Rainbow Knock Out. It is blooming again, with that yellow lollipop effect, that comes of new flowers on bare stems. Very intense, unfading yellow.
Paul,
‘124-10-02’ is a great looking seedling. Congrats on that one and I hope to see it released down the road. I love that the mossing inherited from ‘Lemon Delight’ came through. Very attractive bud and bloom.
Rob
Have to show off the final blooms of the season on this year’s yellow. Too impatient to wait just a a day or two longer for them to open all the way It had a parent label, at one time (but it’s gone now- lost during the transplant I guess). I remember it had a sister seedling- so it probably went with that (but it seems to be gone now as well). Some blackspot- but I went spray free this year. Very fragrant- fades slightly. Lots of petals.
Link: i102.photobucket.com/albums/m85/tncamellia/011/24oct11021.jpg
Well here it is. I won’t spam the thread any more.
It’s YELLOW!!! (Yellow is my favorite color as well. As much as I like yellows, I end up with precious few seedlings that are actually yellow…)- so I’m happy with my baby!
Link: i102.photobucket.com/albums/m85/tncamellia/011/25oct11009.jpg
That is a nice rich yellow, Jon. Glad it doesn’t fade much. Hate those yellows that almost go to pure white.
Congratulations.
Jim
This one combines both yellow and proliferation. Take a look at this awful thing. I know the rose CAN be quite attractive, and I know a few which proliferate regularly and are interesting, but this is malignant looking. Seems a very good line to avoid in the quest for yellow. Kim
Chances are good that it won’t ever be a mother.
Could you answer me a small question Paul B. This is part of your earlier post,
. In fact, precious few are capable of transmitting strong yellow pigment at all, never mind any other traits.
Q. If possible Paul what is needed to transfer pigments and is it true, that pink can 'mask" yellow ?
Other members please feel free to explain as well, I will take all the knowledge offered.
I hope this helps some:
This is Danae x Pretty Lady. This seedling, which I trashed because I was supid and culled it because of the lack of vigor, is really only pastel tea yellow, but it looks much brighter than it is because it retains chlorophyll. That is a trait from Freedom, just like St. Patrick has.
Here is a cross if anyone wants to get adventurous,gave me three interesting but totally different offspring Charles Austin X Vanilla
These are all out of the same seed pod.
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This photo has not been manipulated to enrich the yellow, this is what its really like
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David,
I guess the easiest/best bet for achieving a heat stable, color-fast, saturated yellow, is to use parents with traits as close to that as you can find…and HEY…they are NOT easy to find here in our country, so don’t get too fussy…LOL!!
It still is (I hope) available here, and works both as a mom and a dad rose.
If I were looking to do what you are looking to do, my own hunch would be to marry it especially with (but not exclusively) other predominantly yellow roses in the quest to “multi-STAMP” the yellow into those offsprings’ color genes.
ADDITIONAL NOTE: David, if YOU can find an alternative similar golden rose here, please remember to let me know about it!!
The difficult part of it is determining those danged parentages! I hate when they’re not stated! I guess I’m more resistant to selfing than many, but I want to use unrelated lines to reinforce the traits I’m seeking until there are decent breeders for them, then I’ll self something once. For example, there is no relation between Cl. Yellow Sweetheart and Softee (though they share many common traits), so I would comfortably cross them in an attempt to breed a larger flowered, thornless offspring to use with the other lines of reduced prickles.
George, as the one you mentioned is at Brindabella(Qld Aus) it might be still in commerce, as he(John Jack) changes plants like we change underware. I will however contact him. One yellow I am going to use is ‘Buccaneer’, I have located it in Qld at another nursery.
I know I have said this before, but I am going back in yellows and hopefully find some “missing” yellows. George, I will email you my yellow applicants for the quest and place them on here as well. Some won’t be reckonisable to our fellow members in America, some will.
Kim if something comes of my quest, I promise all the parentage will be devulged to show how it was achieved so others that might use some will not have to do the yard yakka(yards)
Kim,
One of the very astute members of this forum [ya know who ya are :O) ], once indicated to me that the golden rose I mentioned in the above link has very likely got Baby Love (SCRivluv) in its pedigree (given the ending “love” in its code name). As is known, a few rose breeders sometimes include some permutation of the seedling parents’ names when constructing their seedling code names (fun and games…each to their own LOL). This can impart valuable clues to those of us who are not aware of the true pedigree itself.
David, take note!!! …
It has been said that Baby Love (SCRivluv) can impart some race-specific BS resistance to progeny (and it sure seems to have done that with the golden one in the link, at least here, in BS HELL). That is at least a good start for a beginner rose breeder aspiring to create a golden masterpiece of a rose (e.g. YOU??, David).
LOL … O:)
David,
I also wanted to raise with you here, your wish to explore yellow breeding by “going back”.
ummm… it has taken like 100 years to get to where yellow roses currently are, and most aint that crash hot, IMHO.
Why not use what is currently BEST in yellow, and improve on that? …one might suggest we already have served on a plate approx. 100 years of yellow breeding, why not incorporate that in your future yellow lines…or is that also something you might be thinking about doing in your overall “yellow breeding strategy”?
Your thoughts on this?
In the rose history of the last century, it has been pointed out that there were certain roses that stood out. They were crossed with the best AT THAT TIME.
It has been suggested it might be a good thing to take some of these outstanding breeders and cross them with the best IN THIS TIME. I have always wanted Buccaneer. I think it was a very good rose in its day and was used quite a bit in hybridizing. David, why not combine it with some of our best today. It was noted for its vigor and I believe health for those times. Don’t forget, people were not into “garden” roses specifically and certainly Buccaneer was not a “show” when the emphasis was definitely on blue ribbon winners. David, go for it.
I agree with George, don’t make the same crosses over again. Look what Warren is doing with Madame Caroline Testout, an old rose, crossed with moderns.
Jim P
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David,
I also wanted to raise with you here, your wish to explore yellow breeding by “going back”.
George, by “going back” I think some of the undiscovered yellows might come to light
ummm… it has taken like 100 years to get to where yellow roses currently are, and most aint that crash hot, IMHO.
You have answered your own question George, yes there are not many good yellows, I can only talk about Australia, would love some of the roses that we have seen or heard about here on this forum, so it’s my chance/challenge to bring hopefully something to light
Why not use what is currently BEST in yellow, and improve on that? …one might suggest we already have served on a plate approx. 100 years of yellow breeding, why not incorporate that in your future yellow lines…or is that also something you might be thinking about doing in your overall “yellow breeding strategy”?
Again George, you mention “BEST” in yellow for approx 100 years, how long have we had red/pink or other colors. I think yellow is or could be the challenge to breeders. This I think is like the work Jim Sproul and others has done with the “Hulthemia’s”
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George you have my thoughts