Very nice seedlings I especially like the Chinatown x (Rugelda x R15).
Thanks Adam, there is another of that cross to blossom soon. I’ll try posting a pic.
Remember these are first blossoms and likely to improve over time.
Rugelda x R15 certainly looks like a very promising parent. I got some pollen from it from Henry this year. I only got one hip still holding on, and I doubt this one will stay put. The pollen came in the mail wet. I will try next year to get some more pollen. His other parent (Folksinger x Illusion) x R15 is the one I wanted to use the most. Every time I look at the picture of it I just get a good feeling from it. This is the same feeling I get from Complicata. Both of these I am using as pollen parents this year due to the generous gift of pollen from others. The hips using these crosses seem to be holding on and I should get some seeds from these. I look forward to seeing your other seedlings using Rugelda x R15. So are a large majority of the seedlings yellow.
Adam, the majority of seed parents I used with Rugelda x R15 are yellow. Most resultant remontant seedlings are also yellow.
The majority of seedlings were non-remontant and culled. The most successful seed parent was Prairie Harvest.
I agree Henry’s (Folksinger x Illusion) x R15 seems to have tremendous potential.
I said the majority of seedling using Rugelda x R15 are yellow. Here is an exception. It’s a cross I made when I was too lazy to go back and get a different pollen. I would never have guessed anything would come of it.
It’s a weird combination. This is ‘Alister’s Gift’ x (Rugelda x R15). First blossom, photo taken this morning.
I think it is pretty.
Thanks Jadae. It lacks vigor but sometimes they pick up steam.
I think it’s fun to look at the lineage and think about what phenotypic characteristics are carried through to progeny.
It seems I can see both gigantea and spinosissima in this one.
I’ll likely junk it but it was a fun experiment. I know better now what to expect out of both parents and how better to use them in the future.
Robert,
When you make a species or close-species cross with, say, an HT do you follow any particular pattern with subsequent crosses of the progeny? In particular, do you back-cross to the parents, self-cross or inter-cross the f1 progeny?
Don, yes, I try to line breed species crosses by creating diversity in breeding stock, then taking the healthiest offspring with the best characteristics and working them back amongst one another and toward the species.
Breeding back disease resistance is proving to be one of the toughest goals to achieve. I personally believe that while species may not phenotypically contribute disease resistance in the first or second generation, it is there in the genome waiting to be expressed if the correct combination can be achieved.
It takes years but I’m making progress with several species, especially with banksia derivatives.
I call them derivatives because I don’t know at what point one could call them hybrids. I personally think anything with less than 1/4 of any particular species contribution ought be termed derivative.
To some degree it doesn’t get much better than creating remontant versions of desirable species in my opinion.
As promised, here is the first blossom of the second juvenile remontant seedling of Chinatown x (Rugelda x R15).
Photo taken this morning.
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Love the color and it goes so well with the stamens that the pollen parent passed on. I hope it’s a really tough rose and blooms well, Robert.
Muyo botnita~
I agree. Getting a strong color and colored stamens is a big plus going forward. It’ll be fun to mix these with other disease resistant cold hardy yellows.
Here’s an update on seedling richest in color of the Prairie Harvest x (Rugelda x R15) seedlings.
Considering it was 112 here yesterday, it doesn’t look too bad.
The is a fairly strong fragrance with a sharp foetida note, at least to my nose. The deeper colored petaloids were also indicated in the same pollen parent used with Chinatown.
Good vigor, upright growth habit, making new basals now. Just moved into a 5 gallon container this morning.
Nice one Robert!
Thanks Tom. Now to see if it’s fertile. I’ll probably let Rugelda x R15 go now if anyone wants it. It’s HUGE here and shading out other things in my propagation area.
I thought some of you might like to see this blossom from another of the ‘Prairie Harvest’ x (Ruelda x R15) seedlings taken today.
I think it’s interesting it has such old fashioned form.
Robert, that is a fantastic bloom!!
Is it fragrant as well?
Hi George, there is a fragrance, rather light, but hard to describe.
Beautiful Robert, I like the light yellow coloring, makes it look soft and delicate.