That’s quite nice Warren! Congratulations! Kim
Interesting. I was considering Quietness for breeding, and was hoping to come across any info on results so far when I came across this thread.
I have a special spot for roses that I’m evaluating for breeding, right next to a Baronne Prevost which is absolutely dripping with BS and thick patches of mildew. Of every rose I’ve put there, the only non-species varieties to make it a year without visible BS infection were Thomas Affleck, Prairie Fire and Quietness. In light of Jadae’s comments, Quietness’ BS resistance must be extremely race sensitive. It did get a touch of rust, which very few of my roses do, and a tiny bit of PM, but that was it. (For context, I’m in the San Jose, California area.)
Now that I know that it’s triploid, I guess I’ll resign myself to using it as yet another seed parent. Will post results in a year or so.
My assumption is that one parent is an Austin type bred from Iceberg as the base and that the pther parent is one of his Applejack derivitives. Its still possible for this rose to be pollen fertile and capable of producing good seedlings.
Quietness and Aunt Honey are doing very well. Mary Susan is definitely a grandiflora. There is nothing shrub about it. Its “Tropicana coral”, with reddish speckles, and a darker reverse. The architecture is like Tournament of Roses, Sweetness, Fame!, etc. Oh, and yes, it blackspots in the exact same way that Piccadilly does. Despite its beauty, it is going from the balcony to the garden this coming dormant season. It should be planted away from other roses in my area. I have been using Yellow Brick Road on it, but half have aborted. There are so few options to try on it because its definitely prone to the race of blackspot thats like the plague here. Anything closely related to Eyepaint or Impatient behave identically.
April Moon is okay. I think its oto humid for it here. It wants to be an English rose, lol. It has minor blackspot, but its not the same kind as Mary Susan. It seems to be fertile both ways, at least so far, but I am a little conerned about the blackspot. I was not expecting that.
Aunt Honey is pretty much a dream. Its a decent balance betweeen HT and Shrub, blooms a lot, and has not been affected like the others. Its hips fell off, but it was raining hardcore then. I am fairly impressed with this one, even though its not technically new.
I’ll try more of the new Buck roses next year. I am considering tossing Mary Susan. Piccadilly is everything I have ever bred against. I would not have bought it had I known. I’ll be avoiding Cinnamon Spice, too. I’ll probably try Summer Honey next year.
Jadae, I had Aunt Honey for a few years. Great rose, very clean and winter hardy. But, I had absolutely no luck using it as either a seed or pollen parent. I eventually gave it to a friend. I hope that you have better luck with it. Different environment and the right touch might make all the difference.
Liz
Country dancer and earth song are similar to aunt honey.
Cd is disease free here, es nearly so.
Easy parents, often giving apricot or yellow offspring.
Thats good to know about Aunt Honey. I’ll have to use it as pollen on some of the roses that slum down at the local bar in the evening, lol.
I really dislike the parentage of Country Dancer, but I thought of giving Earth Song a go.
Prairie Sunrise seems to be hip-happy so far. I have not seen any disease on it to date, but anything directly bred from Sunsprite scares me, lol. Regardless, its putting out blooms larger than Jusy Joey. I had excellent luck with Sevilliana, so I may try PS’s parent, Freckle Face, too.
So…
I aquired Calico Gal and Butterfly Magic recently. I passed on the new red one. I forgot the name. Most of the new 10 were bred early on, so I do not want to find out how many bad reds are lurking in it. Summer Honey was also aquired recently. Butterfly Magic is phototropic, which should prove interesting in a Buck rose.
As for last year, Prairie Sunrise, Aunt Honey, and Mary Susan all set ample hips. The trick for Aunt Honey was to wait for the second flush. Mary Susan is currently germinating. The seedlings have red foliage so that is not suprising. Mary Susan did blackspot some, but not as much as it’s parent, Piccadilly, does. I hope Carefree Beauty is helpful in the parentage. Otherwise, Mary Susan is a dead end. Time will tell.
Mike,
Prairie sunrise has good ratings on hmf. What is your opinion of it?
Colour = Col our
Color = Col or
Actually, the spelling ‘color’ is closes to the way it is pronounced. English is a funny language, isn’t it?
Prairie Sunrise is an awesome garden plant. It is everything Just Joey could be if it didnt mildew and hate cold. However, it does bleach some, but that is a non-issue for the states roses like Just Joey dislikes. Personally, I love it. I also love the think, giant leaflets. It didnt inherit Sunsprite’s lacey, mildew-prone foliage or awkward canes. It has not germinated anything yet, but time will tell. It is still February. Outdoor germination here usually doesnt begin until late March.
I’ve grown Prairie Sunrise for several years. I like the plant itself, although I don’t find the fragrance as strong as advertised. It forms large hips with a variety of pollens, and its pollen works well too. Germination has been extremely poor in both directions. The seedlings that I have gotten, even the OP ones, all seem to have genetic issues of some kind. They’re stunted, twisted, and don’t grow well. The only cross that I’ve found that had vigorous seedlings was with Deuil de Dr. Reynaud, and those seedlings all had serious disease issues.
I’ve been kicking something around in my head since this thread originally surfaced. I understand these “new” Buck roses weren’t his best and were given away instead of being introduced. However, his introduced roses have a lot of virus issues as stated in an earlier post. Might these new, hopefully unvirused roses be a way to avoid the virus issues with Dr. Buck’s roses?
Our bucks are mostly the “old” varieties. They grow vigorously and bloom profusely, so if they are virused, it doesnt seem to hurt them.
You know, I don’t think it makes any difference. Buck had virused material in his greenhouses and used infected stocks to replicate plants at the university. He’d given an Earth Song to a gentleman who visited him once, which I came to possess later. It hadn’t been budded from the time Buck handed it to him until today and it’s virused. Like Malcolm Manners states about Dr. Basye having the infected Fortuniana he prefered to the treated version for stocks. Per Malcolm, Basye’s stuff was all infected. I can’t tell you how happy that makes me… Infection just didn’t seem to make any difference to either one of them. They probably didn’t understand hardiness issues due to it.
The bigger issue would be that these ‘new Buck’ roses wouldn’t be “first line” offerings, or they would have been previously introduced. Not that they aren’t nice or even good roses, but if they are THAT great, why weren’t they introduced instead of some which were?
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There is a problem here, I cannot read the entry just made by Kim Rupert, it is all “squashed up”.
New doesnt necessarily mean inferior. Some highly rated bucks are relatively new : quietness 2001; winter sunset 1997; prairie sunrise 1997.
True, I think there have been two groups of introductions; this last group I believe were roses distributed to friend’s gardens while Griffith Buck was alive.
An earlier group which included Quietness were seedlings that were grown after he had died if I am not mistaken.
I may be WAY off. This earlier group seems to have been introduced by Roses Unlimited while this last bunch of Buck roses are being introduced from Chamblees.
The fact that they have been introduced by two different but reputable Rose Nurseries and the stories about their origins and how they came about just leads me to suspect this.
Jim
Granted, some were under test while he lived, while others were possibly felt too good to dump, but unproven or not obvious to his focus at the time. I would venture to guess, though, some were also given away with the impression they weren’t worth introduction. Personally, I’ve done the same, sometimes in error as others have felt them worthy, though they weren’t what I sought from the cross, nor did they impress me as anything I would want to promote. In those ways, it’s kind of nice being proven wrong!
I think we all probably do it. I know Ralph sold the original seedling for “Kim Rupert” for $2 to Paul Barden when he sold the ones which didn’t show him what he was looking for early on in the selection process. It was only after it impressed Paul sufficiently that he gave it back to Ralph for further observation and evaluation. I’m glad he did. I like it!
Kim’s words are exactly why I made a thread like this. We simply do not know until we experience the unknown, which is why feedback is helpful. I did not take up the red introduction, however, because I have my limits as to what I am willing to trial.