Interesting, I never thought of ‘Knock Out’ as red.
Even QVC is selling Ink Spots today.
Interesting that they combined IS with St. Patrick on the same tree rose.
Yes, that’s kind of a dumb combo. Ink Spots doesn’t do well anywhere, as far as I can tell (I got rid of mine long ago, and it didn’t even have to compete with St. Patty for nutrients. St. Patty only does well in heat and is a MUCH more vigorous, and presumably is likewise thirstier for all the things roots provide.
The only dual grafted tree roses that I’ve seen do well are the ones where the two grafts are of sports of each other – one being Easy Does It and Livin’ Easy and the other being Iceberg and Burgundy Iceberg.
Anything else, and usually the weaker one will die.
Oops. Not Easy Does It. Easy Going is the other sport. And I see Weeks has added some new sport combos to their offerings. Now they have Ch-Ching and Strike It Rich and then also New Zealand and Full Sail as dual grafted tree roses.
I’d avoid Easy Going over Livin Easy as a breeder. The golden sport passes on nasty thorns like none other. Also, unlike LE, it can be chloric. Its definitely not a superficial mutation.
I like the thought of Iceberg combined with Burgandy Iceberg.
Brilliant Pink and White Iceberg are a better match in vigor than either with Burgundy.
Pink is butt ugly though. Burgundy can be beautiful as long as it develops its buds during the right time. Sometimes they will come out pink, like the purple floribundas will do.
FYA, my Burgundy Iceberg bred with Sevilliana (Buck) as if it was Iceberg. All whites w/ some pastel pink. Sad face =(
OP Burgundy Iceberg gave me white flowered seedlings, all were eliminated.
I have also seen two cases of reversion of Burgundy Iceberg back to white Iceberg…one specimen was at the local botanical gardens, and the other on display in a large pot, at a local retail rose outlet!
Here, neither pink nor burgundy Iceberg look good in hot areas. In coastal areas, they are very nice, but heat quickly fades them very unattractively. In hot areas, too, Burgundy Iceberg takes on the appearance of very dull Dr. Huey flowers. It makes a real drab, dull hole due to the lack of light reflection.
Jim P said…"Thread a cane into a plastic pot, score the cane a bit and fill the pot with soil and in this weather at least half bury the pot…
Hey Jim, when layering in this manner, I only strip the leaves off the cane, then thread it through…I have never needed to score the cane…they still root… one less step to worry about LOL!!
Re: Burgundy Iceberg
Dennison Morey wrote in the 1954 ARA:
“However, a few mutant roses are known to be periclinal chimeras. Better Times has been conclusively demonstrated to be one and data collected from progeny tests indicate that Marionette is also. Many outstanding rose varieties are mutations. It is wholly possible that the old belief that the female passed the vegetative characters and the male the characters associated with the petals and flower is due to the very distinct possibility that many of these were periclinal chimeras which would pass their petal flower characteristics, especially those of color and substance, through the pollen only. It was probably observed that when used as female parents these mutants did not pass their distinguishing characters to their progeny. This would eventually have led to the formulation of a rule that the male passed the color, which in these cases it would not do when used as a female parent. The actual fact undoubtedly was that when one of those was used as a female it did not pass certain characteristics that it did when used as a male parent, because only the pollen and not the ovaries were affected by the mutation.”
As a seed parent, ‘Burgundy Iceberg’ may still be ‘Iceberg’. It is the pollen that should transmit the color.
It is the pollen that should transmit the color
I wouldn’t rule out female gametes having the mutation. Based on the several photos at HMF showing the white and red petals being variable in their expression it looks like the mutation may not be stable with respect to location on the apical meristem.