I hope you get some good seedlings from your cross. How is disease resistance for you on that one?
Michael,
I’m limiting myself to one because of space limitations here. I thought I’d get a consensus from all of you and choose the ‘best’ one for my goals. The plan is to cross the selected red with Illusion, Quadra and Cuthbert Grant hoping for deep red-black offspring with superior disease resistance, hardiness and HT type bloom on a bush. Don’t know if that’s possible but thought I’d give it a shot.
Secondarily, I thought of crossing the selection with Cinco de Mayo, Julia Child, Rugelda, Westerland, Autumn Sunset, and Sunsprite to see if any nice russet/orange/peach/tan/brown colors pop up. Then Fragrant Plum and Ruglauca to see what comes of those crosses…maybe some mauves? These are plans based on what I’ve learned here but if I’m going down the wrong path let me know.
I have used ‘Black Magic’ for a few years, but always as a pollen parent because it doesn’t have good hip set in our climate. It produces vigorous seedlings. The range of colors has been orange to dark pink to very dark red. It tends to pass on good form and upright habit. In our climate it has good disease resistance, but we get very little BS. In 2009, I used it in crosses with 5 other varieties and among the 2010 seedlings, I think that I kept 10 having ‘Black Magic’ as the pollen parent, for further evaluation.
I think that it is a great rose with good potential as a pollen parent, however, I have noted that in many of the crosses in the past where I used it quite extensively, it only produced “trash”. So what you get (as seen in most crosses) is very dependent upon the compatibility of the two parents.
Dont forget Coffee Bean in your non-HT choices. I am unsure of it as a breeder yet, but I believe it to be superior to Hot Cocoa in health, rebloom and architecture.
It’s too bad BM doesn’t have good hip set but great to hear it works as a pollen parent. It’s also good to learn that orange and very dark red offspring are possible. Thanks for the tips.
I just recalled this odd one called Cinnamon Girl. It was introduced for 2010 but may now be out of commerce due to JP’s failure. I have no clue. The color is FREAKY. Its basically a cinnamon orange with white reverse version of Hot Tamale that ages to … mauve and white!
Side note. I invited Betty Jacobs but due to an illness in the family will probably not be able to go. She did produce some great roses. She is playing with irises and day lilies now, though I still hope to entice her back into roses!
Show n’ Tell looks really nice. I remember reading here that bicolors not only throw bicolors but there was something else…was it yellow? I tried a search and couldn’t find what I thought I read. I looked at Betty Jacobs roses and love Winter Magic.
Winter Magic is a sturdy, bushy, ever flowering gorgeous thing. Just amazing in my old Santa Clarita garden. INTENSELY fragrant with such a lovely, silvery color. Cafe Ole is so close to it and it reverts so easily, you never know what you have.
Autumn Magic has clean, brilliant oranges and yellows with very decorative sepals on a sturdy, well foliated plant. Another beautiful one from the old garden.
I had a “poly” Ralph had given me she reportedly created. Jim Delahanty received the last plant I had of it. He called it “Betty’s White”. It was a seedling out of Veilchenblau or Violette. The information was on the tag which went with the plant.
Ralph liked and respected her. He mentioned a few times in later years when something reminded him of her he wondered what happened to her.
I wish she she would be able to come with you, Jim. It would be lovely to meet her and thank her for such lovely creations. Kim
Thank you for your input! Black Magic is on my list now. I was wondering, other than Black Magic, of the ones you said that you grow and like (Janice Kellogg, Ingrid Bergman and Lavaglut) do any of them get the black tones on the petals? Thanks again.
