How come, you seem interested enough in hulthemia??
George, when I can get one.
Is dieback in Hulthemias mostly a genetic issue, or is it environmental or even nutritional? For that matter, dieback in roses in general?
Eyes for You is beautifully phototropic
Here is a flower of EFY, you can see what Kim means by its “phototropic” nature, this one is pure white with a more pink-colored blotch…the local weather conditions when this one was picked were: cool-to-warmish and very overcast / relative humidity around 90+% :
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Comparing to the pix Kim posted further up here, this flower may as well have come from some different hulthemia CV!!
I think location /environment /temperature and different soils might also modulate the phototropic effect, but I am just guessing here of course.
Hulthemia is known for die back and mildew. Hardii, the first discovered hybrid, was said to need to be “grown in a cold, airy glass house and sprayed against mildew, to which it is a martyr”. Tigris and Euphrates suffer die back religiously. Nigel Hawthorne didn’t experience that for me. It was an excellent plant. There is a fair amount of die back on Ralph’s Persian series out back. It seems to be a xerophyte trait. Minutifolia does a fair amount of it, as does Stellata.
Here is a closer look at the color of one of the petals from the same flower:
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This is a several days old, spent petal from Eyes for You. Talk about “location, location, location”!
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You guys got a little petal rivalry going on there?
Kim, that contrast really is unbelievable. (Yeah, Ok… I got petal envy.) If you tell me that thing is carefree as well, I’m going shopping for one as soon as I can.
I’m in love.
It is Beautiful, Kim.
David, I can send you EFY pollen from my latest pollen harvest. Would that make you a happier panda?
Petal envy…LOL!!!
Maybe “friendly petal rivalry across the Pacific”.
ROFLOL…
OF COURSE, I couldn’t resist…ok one last shot:
The petal on the left is from a petal that I pulled away from a typical unopened bud (taken during my summer).
The petal on the right had dropped and fried in the sun for some days in that same week:
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VERY PHOTOTROPIC NUMBER!!!
Anyone in Australia who would like pollen or a cutting of this hulthemia seedling of mine (from Jim’s K206 seedling) can contact me on simonvoorwinde@gmail.com in the coming spring/summer. It has a hip on it atm from an op 0-47-19 seedling I have but once that’s ripe I’ll be trimming it back a bit to test-strike it. People are welcome to those plants if they strike. Root system is very healthy and extensive, leaves have remained unsprayed outside since it germinated and it flushes every 3-4 weeks. Self-sterile apparently as it has not formed op hips but seems to like foreign pollen… took op 0-47-19 straight away. Blotch seems sun-fast… the pink outer regions fade to light pink. Not overly thorny. Flowers don’t last long and shatter easily. Not quite single. Has five main petals will smaller petaloids. Will post for the cost of postage anywhere in Oz I’m allowed to. Haven’t tested pollen fertility yet.
George, thanks for the offer, not sure, but could it be a bit late for pollenations. If you have some budwood it might be easier, did you not say it was growing near a bowling club. If so wood from that when they prune or in Spring/Summer would work as I have heaps on rootstock available.
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This is Jim’s Thrive seedling with the plastic looking foliage, just to the right of Eyes.
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Art Nouveau is almost as clean, even with high humidity and limited air circulation.[flickr_photo src=http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5075/7097808419_0c6eb98812.jpg nsid=67995840@N04 id=7097808419]DSCN1354[/flickr_photo]
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You can see the disease pressure is HIGH. I have no choice. This is the only place I can protect them from rabbits and squirrels. Everywhere else is full sun with no protection from critters or wind. Art Nouveau and Eyes came home at the same time and both have all the foliage they arrived with, and all extremely clean.
“Petal envy”? Nope! Here it is tonight. [flickr_photo src=http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7234/7097751015_276cf9b6d9.jpg nsid=67995840@N04 id=7097751015]DSCN1342[/flickr_photo][flickr_photo src=http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7106/7097751013_c810077afd.jpg nsid=67995840@N04 id=7097751013]DSCN1341[/flickr_photo][flickr_photo src=http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5275/7097751003_c7b0bf65a3.jpg nsid=67995840@N04 id=7097751003]DSCN1362[/flickr_photo][flickr_photo src=http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7224/7097751001_ed3cd1e0ea.jpg nsid=67995840@N04 id=7097751001]DSCN1361[/flickr_photo][flickr_photo src=http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5337/7097750995_8e669b4ed9.jpg nsid=67995840@N04 id=7097750995]DSCN1360[/flickr_photo]
I have no way of knowing if either will be as resistant to YOUR brand of black spot, but they see to ignore mine. Eyes is right beside a potted Pretty Lady, which came home from the Friends of Sequoia meeting. It is as rudely clean as the Thrive! seedling and the two James roses. Sadly, Gina’s Rose is black spotting, but it’s a freshly planted, small own root plant. Perhaps it will clean up once it gets out in back? But, if it’s going to spot right there where these others aren’t…
Hi Kim,
I am sorry to hear that ‘Gina’s Rose’ is getting blackspot. I have not seen any on it here in Bakersfield. And it seems to have good resistance against downy.
BTW, the ‘Thrive!’ seedling is L56-1, a red single, larger mini.
Thanks for the information, Jim. Happen to remember the breeding of L56-1 please? I’m not surprised Gina is black spotting. She’s a young plant, only planted for about a month after being received nearly bare root. She’ll hopefully out grow it. If ONLY Ralph hadn’t been so danged obsessed with Playboy! I’m waiting impatiently for Legacy to flower. I am going to cross it with Pink Petticoat in hopes of engineering in greater resistance to everything. PP is spotless here.
The cross for L56-1 was:
{‘Halo Today’ X [‘Geisha’ X (‘Tobo’ X ‘Singin’ in the Rain’)]} X ‘Thrive!’
The seed parent is a full sibling of another seedling that I used extensively and is in some of my other seedlings listed on my website. This seedling has better disease resistance than it’s sister seedling. I have never seen any disease on it. I don’t know where it got it’s good disease resistance. Interestingly, although the seed parent, E5-6, doesn’t get any powdery mildew, about 1/2 of its seedlings get it rather badly.
Thank you, Jim! Amazing that such resistance could come from that back ground. Wow!
Sidetrack again, the background is important in my strange thinking. I understand myself.
Hi David.
The bushes you are referring to (planted outside my local bowling club) are Blue For You (not Eyes For You). I also have my own Blue For You plant, yes the same varietal as in that bowling club. My Blue For You plant was purchased as a bare root T-budded plant from this nursery, roughly around August (our winter) 2011.
NOW…
Please be advised that Blue For You (pejamblu) has PBR status granted in our country, and I imagine Eyes For You (pejbigeye) is almost certainly in the “PBR applied for” category. As such it is prohibited in our country to propagate either of these without the appropriate licence (I do not hold such a licence).
This means, even if the bowling club owners were theoretically willing to provide you with cuttings of Blue For You, it is not an option to take and use this.
Good news is…we are permitted to use pollens off these CV, of course!
George, what is an own root, T budded plant?