Interesting, HMF does not list it as repeat flowering. Maybe it is a repeat flowering dwarf sport like Little White Pet? Or maybe there is modern rose influence in the hybrid. Who knows the parentage is correct?
But it does seem interesting to use it with other species than R. sempervirens. Bonica blackspots though (from Picasso?). I wonder if Swany does.
Rob
Using the handpainted in the breeding programs for landscape schrubs was silly. Ive yet to see one that is not as least moderately susceptible from blackspot.
As far as the Meililand midgets go, I imagine that their is a relation to the dwarfness and repeat-flowering ability in terms of checmicals produced that we have seen time and time again when massive ramblers have had their size cut into 1/50th and things are displaced within them.
Mlle Marthe Carron is said to be from R. luciae var. wichuraiana x R. wichuraiana. I grew it: small glossy leaves and small full white flowers with reduced fertility. Rather erect and short for a wich seedling. The luciae I saw in a Botanical garden is a rather self standing once blooming species. My plant was not strong nor impressive and I had better things to use so it was soon SP.
Mediland rose breeding is representative of a period where parents for ground cover roses were few. As well as Marthe Carron, Meilland was using The Fairy and dwarf polyanthas like most GC breeders then. None very desease resistant if more than most cvs then available.
Picasso brought interesting colors, instant petal, larger flower size and recurent possibly reduced plant size.
Meillandās greenhouse and seedling fields are spraied just like all I know other breeders are. Before a marketing decision is made, private and public unspraid trials are done at many places all over the world.
Kordess GC achievments relied much on The Fairy x wich seedling and were no more desease resistant. This is being improved.
By the way far from blanket statements it is things roses learned me I tell you. Things discussed with specialized scientific teams and standing well with all latest actual knowledge.
Pierre Rutten
From Eve Nursery re: Melle Marthe Carron: āSon port divergent et ses rameaux souples font de ce rosier un excellent couvre-sol.ā Sounds like a Wich Ground Cover to meā¦ "Floraison de lāEt
To all you forum members, I have learned a mind boggling amount from this subject. I randomly crossed anything blooming with no goal in mind and have 21 seedlings. Now I must define a real goal. My first goal was simple, get something to cross and grow! I think the variety of roses we humans have created is amazing. I showed a film to a science class about selective evolution concerning japanese crabs that have a samauri warrior face on the shell. For generations the fisherman threw back any crab that had these marks and ate the rest, creating a very distinctive crab. We have "created "our food and animals and flowers according to characteristics that we like ourselves. I HAD NO IDEA how much I donāt know . I have several seedlings with Neptune as a parent. Even if they are randomly begotten Iām excited to see them! Robyn Swesey
May I ask where you got your Altaica from?