I always assumed the Hot Tamale descended from Party Girl. I swore I saw it once, but since then I have always seen seedling x seedling. So, it was either a misprint, my wild imagination or changed to conceal. Who knows.
‘Sweet Chariot’ has a dose of the spot. It’s newly planted, however, and may be under stress and less able to withstand such an attack.
I see Simon. Fingers crossed about it…
I have seen it with some blackspot, but not as much as most minis. Its biggest fault is that it seems to hate summer heat and is heavily prone to spider mites. That is from my personal experience in seeing it at various places in my state. I never grew it personally.
I like the idea of miniaturizing something like ‘Hiawatha’…
Moore was fond of using ‘Little Darling’ as the miniature seed parent (usually as a F2).
I like the idea of miniaturizing something like ‘Hiawatha’…
You’ll have your work cut out for you, it’s a big plant. It does put on quite a show. Here are few pictures from one of the plants of Hiawatha at Elizabeth Park, full size in case you want to look more closely than the photos at HMF allow.
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Those pics of ‘Hiawatha’ are great. I just had to mention it because it is diploid.
The smallest rose I own is ‘Little Emma’, and it has Clytemnestra as pollen parent… so if the same formula was applied to ‘Hiawatha’… I think the first step is to get a remontant seedling involving Hiawatha and then go from there.
I asked Mr. Moore to introduce ‘Little Emma’ for years.
I’m glad he finally did. I always loved it. I wish I hadn’t lost mine.
‘Hiawatha’ should be easy to utilize with diploid minis.
My ‘Little Emma’ is still in full shiny (but TINY) foliage right now even despite having had freezing winter weather. It seems to be quite bullet proof as far as disease and I would rate it better that ‘Cal Poly’ in this department (which I also own). It’s interesting to see the progression and similarity in breeding between ‘Cal Poly’ and ‘Little Emma’- but it also goes to show that ‘Little Darling’ can pass on disease resistance when used as a miniature seed parent.
Hi Robert, what happened to your ‘Little Emma’ plant?
George, I made the mistake of putting ‘Little Emma’ in the ground.
Between of it’s tiny size and the very sandy soil here, I lost it. It was negligence on my part. I should have been paying more attention to it.
If I remember correctly ‘Woodstock’ is a Sister seedling.
‘Woodstock’ has been doing quite well in the ground here for over a decade.
If you grow enough seedlings from ‘Little Darling’ crosses, you can find just about anything you want, including decent disease resistance. However, ‘Little Darling’ itself is a tragic mess in my garden as far as Blackspot goes. I’m disinclined to use it in breeding unless I can use it as a “bridge” in difficult crosses. I feel it has been exhausted as a parent in traditional crosses: we’ve seen all it can do and have moved far beyond it.