Oh, yeah, check out Art Deco. Lens managed to get a lot of depth from it. Its bred from whites and pinks. The red obviously came from whatever polyantha. I’m guessing Miss Editch Cavell based on its stiples, architecture, and Ballerina’s descendants. Regardless, Art Deco’s stems are rich in anthocyanins. It seems to me that it’d be worthwhile to self Art Deco in order to easily retain the red into further generations.
Is sounds like everyone has done some great crosses this year, with lots of attention to cleanliness. I finally finished up with my crosses about 2 weeks ago - finally getting the chance to do one of the crosses that I had put high on my “to do” list. With their bloom cycles way off, the roses wouldn’t cooperate earlier in the season.
The cross that I really wanted to do, was to use the seed parent of ‘Thrive!’, “G168-2”, crossed with 'Double Knock Out
Max, both Apricot Bells and Patricia Beucher (Rose Marie didn’t make it) are OK. They’re too large for their pots and I’ve run out of room to plant. Decisions must be made. There is a touch of mildew, but that is easily attributable to water stress, which is legion here now. Kim
Speaking of things not making it, after a fairly mild summer, we’re suddenly having extremely hot weather, and I’ve had a number of hips that seemed to have been doing well suddenly die in the last few days. A few on the same plants seem to be maturing early and a couple are already downright red. Should I leave the red ones on the bushes? Or take them off now before anything else can happen to them?
Hi Fara, I’ve been harvesting anything that begins to change color for a few weeks. I don’t know what your vermin pressure is there, but the squirrels and probably some rats get them early here, so I’m trying to beat them to the punch. I’d say if they’re colored properly, or even close to properly, grab them before they become lunch! Kim
If the color is changing, I’d say harvest. An interesting observation I had last year to this, was hips pollinated somewhat later in season, maybe mid-summer, that were harvested right as they turned color- October here- are giving better germ % than those collected earlier from a long summer’s worth of development- Sept harvest. This was all OP Rainbow Knock Out and I inferred the pollination from position in the plant structure so it’s an imperfect measure. But I also got very good % germ from a rugosa (Hansa?)collected Aug 1 and immediately stratified. I wouldn’t chance it that squirrels or other animals might like the taste and eat them as they sweeten before harvest.
Believe me, rodents LOVE rose hips! LeGrice, in Rose Growing Complete, warmed about mice feasting on the rose seeds in the seed flats he over wintered out doors to provide the cold stratification he felt they required. I have often lost seeds to the vermin. It is REALLY frustrating to watch a lovely hip mature, only to find out the buggers ate out the back side and all of the contents. Kim
Rodents… it’s voles that are the problem here. They eat roses from the roots up. Hips are taken by raccoons and deer. And, lately, some insect that looks like a green tank that eats them. I guess I’ll go get the colored ones in, then. Some of them are Cardinal de Richelieu, can’t wait to see if there’s really something inside them.
Don’t know if this would help anyone but I will pass along my method of hybridizing. Once I have put the pollen on the bloom I cover it with a square of bridal tulle which I tie on with a piece of surveyors tape that has the cross and the date written on it. Perhaps this would discourage the vermin. I have lots of squirrels in my yard and I don’t have a problem with anything eating my hips. The tulle comes in 4 inch widths on a spool like ribbon. You can buy it at Hobby Lobby, JoAnn’s Fabrics, Garden Ridge Pottery.
Bridal tulle! Great idea!
Hi Fara,
was there any seed in your Richelieu hips? I never had hips on this cultivar.
I used to try a lot with Cardinal de Richelieu as pollen parent (and another triploid OGR, Mme Alfred Carriere) and was not really successful. I got very few hips and low germination%. The small number of seedlings I got are most likely apomicts.
So I am curious for your result…
Ulrike
There were immature seeds in the hips, and one that looked as if it had considered maturing and then decided against it. Oh well, if I keep at it, maybe someday. I’ve never found a speck of pollen on CdR, so only ever used it as a seed parent.
Curiously, though, I have several nice-sized hips of Various Things x Persian Yellow this year.
That’s a great name, Fara, “Various Things”. I like it much better than “unknown” or “seedling”. You should register it quickly and use it as a catch-all for those you don’t really know who the daddy is! Kim
Done for the season:
Rugosa #3 x Rugosa #3
Ruglauca x Ruglauca
Ruglauca x Gil-07-01
Softee x Gil-07-01
Softee x 1-72-1
Illusion x Gil-07-01
Illusion x 1-72-1
Illusion x Texas
Illusion x Smoke Rings
Polka x 1-72-1
Polka x Gil-07-01
Westerland x 1-72-1
Autumn Sunset x 1-72-1
Midnight Blue x 1-72-1
Midnight Blue x Texas
Midnight Blue x Gil-07-01
Midnight Blue x Distant Drums
Skinner’s Red Leaf Perpetual x Gil-07-01
(1-72-1 x L83) x Gil-07-01
(1-72-1 x L83) x Gil-07-05
Quadra x 1-72-1
Abraham Darby x 1-72-1
Distant Drums x 1-72-1
Distant Drums x Gil-07-01
Gil-07-01 x 1-72-1
(Midnight Blue x Cinco de Mayo) x 1-72-1
Smoke Rings x 1-72-1
Smoke Rings x Texas
Smoke Rings x Gil-07-01
((Penny Ante x Tradescant) x L83) x 1-72-1
((Autumn Sunset x (Golden Angel x L83) x 1-72-1
Rugelda x 1-72-1
Keith’s Delight x 1-72-1
I’ve used “Various Things” myself a lot this year.
I bet “Various Things” is probably the most widely grown cultivar on this forum! Kim
Still a month to go and agree this is prime time. The hips develop fast and big in short order with the right cross.
Had a lot of help this year with many types of bees.
Still waiting on Golden Horizen, Alexander Mckenzie and Emons ppf ptr.
Crosses with hips.
Playboy x Strike It Rich
Yankee Doodle x Joseph’s Coat
Yankee Doodle x Play Boy
Yankee Doodle x Living Easy
Crimson Glory x Joicie
Crimson Glory x Gold Badge
Gold Badge x Crimson Glory
Vavoom x Playboy
Octoberfest x Joycie
Octoberfest x Crimson Glory
Matador x “Other Things” 2 Hips
Joycie x Crimson Glory
Joycie x Joseph’s Coat
Blue Nile x Ebb Tide
Strike It Rich x Crimson Glory
Strike It Rich x Playboy
Strike It Rich x Yankee Doodle
The last few days crosses
Rhapsody In Blue x Ebb Tide
Rhapsody In Blue x Rene Des Violettes + Seven Seas
Ebb Tide x Rhapsody In Blue
Seven Seas x Rhapsody In Blue
A lot more untaged, unknown, op or Seedlings
Larry,
Do you know the ploidy of Artic Sunrise? How are your hips using it in crosses holding on? Thanks
Rob
So far as I know from crossing, Arctic sunrise is just your regular tetraploid. It is not terribly fertile (probably a majority of hips fail) but will take pollen from many things and produce some seed (4-10/hip) which germinates at a reasonable rate (20-40 %). I have never used it as a pollen parent. I was focused on getting more yellow by further crosses with any yellow donor I could get my hands on. I do have a couple of seedlings further down the tree but generally when crossed with yellow, the seedlings are B.S. susceptible.
There is a tendency for hips to ripen a bit earlier on A.S. than on some other CVs, such as typical HTs. I just collected this year’s few crosses that I found time to do in between travels in May. Some were already dark, or shriveling, others changing color. But my Carefree Beauty was ready a week earlier, and Carefree Copper was ready in mid August. So it is not very early.
Well, I TRIED to contain myself and the squirrels DID help reduce the number I could harvest. Here is what there are seed from waiting in the refrigerator. Kim
2011 Crosses
(1-72-1 X Grandmother’s Hat) X 1-72-1Hugonis
(1-72-1 X Grandmother’s Hat) X Little Butterfly
(Carlin’s Rhythm X Home Run) X 1-72-1 Hugonis
(Lilac Charm X Grey Pearl) X Magic Wand
(Lynnie X Sevilliana) X 86-3
? X Fedtschenkoana
? X Magic Wand
0-47-19 X Gardens of the World
0-47-19 X Little Butterfly
0-47-19DLFED X Tom Thumb
1-72-1 DLFED X Magic Wand
1-72-1 Hugonis X Little Butterfly
1-72-1 Hugonis X Magic Wand
1-72-1 Hugonis X R. Fedtschenkoana
1-72-1DLFED 6 X LynnPoO
1-72-1DLFED 7 X Little Butterfly
1-72-1Hugonis X Little Butterfly
Apricot Bells Self
Aprilmooncrest X Magic Wand
Basye’s Legacy X (1-72-1 X Grandmother’s Hat)
Basye’s Legacy X (Clinophylla X Bracteata)
Basye’s Legacy X Little Butterfly
Basye’s Legacy X Magic Wand
Blue For You X (Clinophylla X Bracteata)
Burling’s Single Renae sport X Magic Wand
Cal Poly X DLFED 3
Cal Poly X Indian Love Call
Carlin’s Rhythm X R. Hugonis
Cineraire Self
CPDLFED 2 X Baby Love
CPDLFED 2 X Comtesse du Cayla
CPDLFED 2 X Magic Wand
CPDLFED 2 X Magic Wand
CPDLFED 3 X Comtesse du Cayla
CPDLFED 3 X Ladyfingers
CPDLFED 3 X Little Butterfly
CPDLFED X (Clinophylla X Bracteata)
CPDLFED X LynnPoO
CPDLRED 4 X IW0-47-19
Diablo X 1-72-1DLFED
DLFED 3 X (Indian Love Call X 1-72-1)
DLFED 3 X 1-72-1 Hugonis
DLFED 3 X Little Butterfly
DLFED 3 X Little Butterfly
DLFED 3 X Midnight Blue
DLFED 3 X Mutabilis
DLFED 3 X Pink Gate
Erfurt X (1-72-1 Hugonis)
Gloria Mundi X DLFED 4
Golden Horizon X Mutabilis
Grandmother’s Hat Self
Hall of Flowers X Indian Love Call
Hall of Flowers X Mutabilis
Indian Love Call X 0-47-19DLFED
Indian Love Call X Magic Wand
Indian Love Call X Rabble Rouser
IW0-47-19 X 81-02-09
IW0-47-19 X Indian Love Call
IW0-47-19 X Loyal Friend
IW0-47-19 X Magic Wand
IW0-47-19 X Show ‘n’ Tell
Lauren X Fedtschenkoana
Leonie Lamesch X 1-72-1Hugonis
Lynnie X (Clinoplylla X Bracteata)
Lynnie X 0-47-19DLFED
Lynnie X IW0-47-19
Lynnie X Little Butterfly
Lynnie X R. Fedtschenkoana
Lynnie X Rabble Rouser
Lynnie X Verdun
Magseed Self
Miracle on the Hudson X (1-72-1 X Grandmother’s Hat)
Orangeade X ?
Orangeade X 1-72-1 Hugonis
Orangeade X Verdun
Pink Gate X DLFED 3
Pink Gate X Gardens of the World
Pink Petticoat X 0-47-19DLFED
R. Arkansana “Peppermint” Self
Rabble Rouser X (Clinophylla X Bracteata)
Secret Garden self
Show ‘n’ Tell X (Clinophylla X Bracteata)
Stellata Mirifica Self
Sunburn X DLFED 3
Sunburn X Little Butterfly
Sunburn X Midnight Blue
Too Cute X Verdun
Verdun X (1-72-1 X Grandmother’s Hat)
Verdun X DLFED 3
Verdun X Fedtschenkoana
Verdun X Indian Love Call
White Cecile Brunner X DLFED 4