Mike, do you have a source for Turkes Rugosa Samling? I’ve been looking for this for about 35 years.
Kim my ‘Flamingo’ was obtained probably a decade or more ago from Tom Liggett.
No doubt it’s on Huey.
I can try to root it but have no idea how it does own-root.
Hi Robert, Flamingo roots and grows well. The one I had at the old garden was own root. It’s the one pictured in The Quest For The Rose and attributed as “an unknown H. Gigantea in a Southern California Garden”, the photo beside Fred Boutin’s. There were no issues with it own root and I used to replicate it for the Huntington sales every year. Liggett budded everything because he couldn’t propagate any other way. He refused to believe that duplicating Sequoia’s hot climate methods exactly wouldn’t work in the fog belt.
OK, I’ll try to remember to stick a few.
I’ve never seen RMV symptoms, but you know who that goes.
Hi Peter,
No, I dont. I was just passing on the word since the original question of the thread is about non-anthocyanin and white non-diploid rugosa types.
Did we discuss Dr. Eckner as a possibility too? Its a tetraploid 1/4 rugosa, 1/2 pernetianana, 1/4 some other likely tetraploid type. I find the blooms pretty. The plant shape is …ugh… the foliage looks very HT-like but I dont know disease quality. It could be useful as a female rugosa parent for triploid pollen types if it sets hips.
I had thought about Dr. Eckener but couldn’t find any information on how fertile it is either way. Does anyone know? I’m trying to find my Rugosa book by Suzanne Verrier to see what she wrote about it. It’s packed away somewhere…
Apparently Dr. Eckener has some fertility. See these threads:
http://www.rosehybridizers.org/forum/message.php?topid=3395#3395
http://www.rosehybridizers.org/forum/message.php?topid=19666#19671
Any opinions on using ‘Basye’s Legacy’ with Rugelda, Keith’s Delight and Rokoko to amplify the rugosa genes? There’s not much information listed for Legacy on HMF. Does it repeat bloom? I think I’ve read that it sets hips and is a tetraploid.
Also any thoughts on using Legacy with 0-47-19 or decendants to bring in Wichuriania blood for increased disease resistance? Sorry if these subjects have been covered already…
Rob
Legacy has repeated sparingly some years. It seems weather dependent like Banksias. Seedlings can be very odd. With Anne Harkness, it created all once flowering. The same with Loving Touch and many with Anytime. Torch of Liberty, Lilac Charm, Wapiti, Anna Wheatcroft, Orangeade and a number of others which don’t readily come to mind right now, all resulted in continuous bloomers. It does set hips, COPIOUS hips! However, it self fertilizes so very early, catching it before it does is very dicey and its seedlings have tended to be very small and difficult to maintain until they reach their vigor. I learned many years ago to use the pollen and leave the seed alone. It makes it easier to determine hybrids, also. Its pollen has taken on pretty much everything I’ve put it on, though combining it with other roses doesn’t always result in what you hoped it would. I have a thornless shrub of it with Loving Touch which took seven years to produce its first two flowers, waited two years and then produced six or seven flowers this year. Anyone want the hips? hehehe
Try it with Rugelda, it may be interesting. Mixing it with 0-47-19 could also be interesting. Basye wrote had he to do it again, he would have included Wichurana in the early stages, using thornless forms, before he began his selfs to set the traits he wanted. I have his thornless Wichurana rooting should anyone wish starts. Think Wichurana and take away the prickles and you will know what it is like. I’d offer Legacy but it was a particular favorite of the danged squirrel that runs over from next door so it’s going to be a little while before there is anything to take off it. There are a few hips it formed still on it if anyone wants them. Kim
If Legacy has issues with Anne Harkness then mixing it with Rugelda in the f1 marriage would likely result in similar growth patterns. The polyantha born lines Kim listed seem far more appropriate. I’d aim for something with normally shortened internode spacing (as opposed to some minis which have absolute short internode spaces but long relative internode spacing). I’d also avoid anything from a lineage willing to sport climbers or produce climbers itself for the marriage of either parent. Bonica is an excellent example where the internode spacing is short for a landscape shrub yet it tends to produce climbers). These are all factors to consider when working with roses from certain lines (esp. rubiginosa, synstylae and kordesii). Polyanthas, in contrast, seem to have more absolute internode spacing despite their strong ability to sport climbers too. This is what makes microminis so fascinating and perplexing on so many different levels.
Side topic: Does Rosa californica dwarf some rose hybrids? Or even the fake Rosa californica, lol?
I’ve not read anything about Californica dwarfing anything, but LeGrice wrote that what the British grows as Californica stabilized the brown pigments and passed on the characteristic short stemmed, cluster flowering.
I agree with you about the poly breeding idea. I have seeds under soil of Verdun with the DLFEDs, and many using Mr. Bluebird in hopes of seeing what China genes could do with them.
It’s one of the reasons I’ve been mixing Lynnie with Cineraire and Mutabilis, too.
That sounds great.
I was looking over both the American and European hybrids from Rosa califorica, and a uestion came up. Would the results, if you disrgard color, been similar had another tetraploid cinn. type been used instead? Something about it, to me, seems to aid in blooming and internode spacing. I could also be crazy 
Someone should cross it to Hansa Park, lol.
Add Lupo to the possible tetraploid rugosa genetics. We just dug up the EU patent for it, and it has Robusta in it.
Good find Michael. I wonder how long it will take to get to the states…
Im guessing highly unlikely given the economic climate + similar but more colorful varieties are abundant.
And then there’s ‘Picurka’: Starina