Thornless! But what is it? Please

41 degrees south, zone 9b-ish, Summer.

This would be a highly desireable addition to my (so far failed…) ‘breeding program‘ - thornless, orange, fragrant, climber. To ascertain it’s actual usefulnes as a parent, I am seeking an ID on this healthy, hardy & pretty specimen.

Same colour on petal reverse (but BUDS START OUT RED). Moderately fragrant.

About 5’ tall (and wide).

Toughing it out on railway embankment. (Good season, roses are flowering very well everywhere)

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Here’s a possibility (or try searching “orange” + “few or no prickles” + ?on HMF advanced search)

Could it be Leander (‘AUSlea’)?

Stefan

Kordes Peach Melba?

There are a bunch of YouTube videos about it. It’s a tough cookie, and beautiful.

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Thank you Lee! This is a very good match for colour, pricklelessness, bloom form, leaflet count, health, Australian availability, stated height and fragrance(reading the comments). Stipules difficult to confirm and petal count a little over the top, even so, the very distinctive red buds are entirely missing. It looks very useful though except for its lack of offspring… :cry: (Yes, I tried HMF - so many combinations of orange/pink to wade through…)

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Oooo…Stefan, this has likley looking candelabra and stipules and the odd red bud makes an apperance, Australian availability too, (14’ would be fabulous!). Offspring, 3? I guess the petal count interferes with pollinations. :face_holding_back_tears: Thank you.

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Pretty, pretty! The Kordes gallery (rounded petals) look closer than the HMF gallery (a more classic HT shape, petals become pointed). A sprinkling of red buds, height looks goods and Australian availability. Best part is the Decendants list! Thank you SR.

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More comparison pics:

Red buds.

I will keep an eye on remontancy and inspect to see whether there are any old hips. Certainly I’ll be watching for any new season hips developing. :blush:

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Today, while slumming around the railway again… I was fortunate to catch the resident (of 35yr) directly opposite! My notion of it being neglected is way off - when it blooms there is a lot of interest in ‘pruning’ so it is potentially a larger shrub than initially supposed. I now know who planted the rose but not its name :expressionless_face:. Although inspection uncovered a lot of perished bloom stalks (somewhat self-cleaning?), I have it on reliable authority that it does produce hips (red).

Other observations today, the tight red buds transition through a tangerine phase, the leaves are quite toothed, petal count is 35 and, sadly, it does have a black heart…