This season's progress with William Baffin seedlings.

The following are last summer’s crosses that involve William Baffin that have grown at least one foot in height this summer (I consider that these are mature enough to survive the winter):

Illusion X William Baffin. Two plants.

Prairie Harvest X William Baffin. Four plants.

Carefree Beauty X William Baffin. Nine plants.

Folksinger X William Baffin. One plant.

Folksinger X (William Baffin X OP). One plant.

Park Direktor Riggers X William Baffin. One plant.

(Illusion X John Davis) X William Baffin. One plant.

( William Baffin X OP) X OP. Twenty five plants.

The following seedlings are alive but have grown less than one foot (these may not survive the winter - I have sprayed them with gibberellic acid to give them a boost):

Illusion X William Baffin. Four plants.

Prairie Harvest X William Baffin. Seven plants.

Carefree Beauty X William Baffin. Two plants.

(Carefree Beauty X William Baffin) X OP. Three plants.

(Illusion X John Davis) X William Baffin. Three plants.

( William Baffin X OP) X OP. Ninety Six plants.

(George Vancouver X John Davis) X William Baffin. Two plants.

Park Direktor Riggers X William Baffin. One plant.

(Folksinger X Illusion) X William Baffin. One plant.


What percentage of ‘William Baffin’ seedlings are remontant in the first year, in your experience? I had a large selection of seedlings from a cross using ‘William Baffin’ on a miniature breeder and got about three repeaters out of maybe 100 seedlings. Is this the norm???


Unfortunately, Paul, the procedure that I have used in the past has not been of the type such that I could give you a quantitative answer. Up to this past year, I normally gave away all of my seeds of a particular cross after I had about 15 germinations. Even this last season I tried to give away my excess ((William Baffin X OP) X OP) seeds. However, this offspring of William Baffin is such a good seed setter (with seeds that germinate easily) that I still had over 100 seedlings that I kept. Possibly at the end of next season I will be able to answer your question (based on this past season’s crop).





Needless to say I will not be keeping any (no room) of the open pollinated (William Baffin X OP) hips from this summer - these seeds will give seedlings which are ((William Baffin X OP) X OP). If anyone wants any, please follow the following procedures:

  1. Please reply by e-mail.

  2. Please make sure the name of the rose is on the request.

  3. Please give your name and post office address in a form that I can simply cut out and tape to the package.

  4. Because I use a priority selection process based on when a request is received, please do not send blanket requests (“send me all”) or future requests (“if you decide to distribute XXXXXXX, please send me some”). The only time I do not follow the priority selection process of “first in - highest priority” is if the person has not requested any earlier this season or if the person requesting had sent me one of the parents in that particular cross.

OK, let me ask you this instead, Henry: do ANY of the first generation William Baffin seedlings bloom for you in their first year?

Thanks for your reply,


Paul, the link below is from my “My Seedlings” page:

It states that very few bloomed the first summer.

The Heritage X William Baffin seedling appears to be one of those early bloomers:


Sorry that my record keeping (and/or memory) is not better.


I just came in from a walk to view the 2004 seedlings. I found a very young (less than a foot tall) Prairie Harvest X William Baffin that bloomed in June with a white-pink semi double bloom (I now use larger tags and write on them when the seedling blooms). It is now forming another bloom. It is in its early stage; but I will post its picture when it opens.


The first flower of this fall’s 3 buds has opened. It is shown on my web page:


I was just re-reading this and wondering what you think of Parkdirector Riggers as a parent? I mean as offspring health like disease and cold hardiness.

I have used Park Direktor Riggers and continue to use it. I try to cross Kordes roses with Bucks, Austins, and Canadians plus with my own.

I just went out and checked my Park Direktor Riggers X IFK-1 cross. The leaves are spotless; but it has rugosa blood.

IFK-1 is a Peter Harris rose, from pollen of RSM K1 (from Research Station, Morden) on Ivory Fashion. He does not have a picture of it on his web site.

RSM K1 was described in HortScience, volumn 15, pages 205-206, (1980). Its parents were R. Rugosa Alba as seed parent and (J.W. Fargo X (Donald Prior X R. Arkandana)) X mixed pollen of R. Arkansana hybrids as pollen parent (the pollen parent brackets do not make sense to me).

Hey thanks Henry. I had wondered if PD Riggers passed on the good attrbutes like the other kordesii’s. It has been used in some of my favorite roses (Remember Me is an example). I really enjoy the Kordesii’s a lot. Sympathie and Dortmund are such work horses. Ivory Fashion is interesting. It shows up in some odd places such as Distant Drums.