I was sent some seed of Therese Bugnet from Northern France this year, the germination rate was very good, giving me a good selection of seedlings. So far there have been four variations, which I hope to introduce into my breeding lines.
Type 1 is a full double with extremely strong perfume
Type 2 is a simple single
Type 3 although about to flower, foliage is very different from all seedlings.
Very nice! I grew a number of Therese Bugnet OP seedlings ten years or so ago. The seedlings had a lot of problems with mildew, which isn’t normally a problem here. I kept one of the healthiest for several years, which looked very much like Therese Bugnet itself. It was never really happy in the heat and humidity here, and I eventually discarded it.
Mark
Thanx Mark
I have not had any mildew problems with any of these, there main purpose is to inject cold tolerance genes into what I have bred here, then they will be probably discarded. The Type3 with its softer foliage , I cant wait for it to flower.
Therese Bugnet’s Seedlings have such a short juvenile period ! The Type3’s foliages are More like Betty Bland’s .
Oph Hannah, The TYPE 3 is very close to opening up and the colour looks more red than the others
Warren
I like the type 3 foliage, too. Will be waiting for flower pic.
Therese rusted or mildewed or something pretty badly here this year. I have some pics of it from other years that are stunning, though. Not too many roses can survive to get seven feet tall around here.
Joe none of these seedling developed mildew when young seedlings, which I think if they are going to be prone to it, this is the stage when most effected. The single and double form have been used as pollinators, those Virginiana hybrids have had a good dose in an effort to produce some cold tolerate cultivars. 7 feet tall, in the spring is there any cane damage from your winters?
warren
Warren, there have been years where Therese has died way back to the snow line. This year they made it up to about five feet tall.
Good idea to combine it with the R. virginiana hybrids. I’d kinda like to see straight up R. virginiana (or R. carolina) x Therese Bugnet.
Well Joe here is the flower of Type 3, its not much to look at, but what I am looking for is what’s inside. This is its first bloom as a seedling.
How many seeds did you sow to have these 3 interesting seedlings ?
Hi Andre,
The amount of seed would have been a teaspoon and from these seed I have 12 plants growing in pots and in the garden. The germination was very good, all these are under one year old.
I have posted a pic of some in 8 inch pots growing in standard potting mix with 50% of coconut coir. The bloom is from the (Type 3) seedling.
Warren
OK thank you !
What’s the advantage of using 50% of coconut coir in your mix ?
Coir is very long-lasting and has good aeration so it promotes good, well-branched root growth. But make sure you get coir that has been well composted and treated. Coir is sometimes sold in dry bricks, and the bricks may have a lot of salt (from ocean water used to rinse the coir where the bricks are made), and the coir from these bricks will need to be well leached and treated with lime before it can be used safely. I tried a coir blend (Scott’s Black Magic) this past summer for some repotting, and the plants repotted in that blend quickly showed nitrogen deficiency and needed a quick dose of soluble fertilizer.
Peter
I guess it’s very similar with peat moss. No ?
Andre, similar qualities but a lot cheaper. Next year I am going down from Belgium to Lyon and then to Picardie. I might see you around.
Would be a pleasure !
I got an excellent white-flowered op seedling from Therese Bugnet about 7-8 years ago. It is an outstanding once (but long) blooming shrub rose. A was very happy that a small rose nursery in northern Finland was willing to propagate it (easy from cuttings).
The other few seedlings from that batch were uninteresting/ugly, btw. Now I have new batch of op seedling coming into their second year.
I quit trying to breed with TB (hip parent) after I realized no pollen whatsoever took. Until last summer, when I got Lynnie and realized it is extremely fertile both ways. So, gave a try and, for the first time ever with TB, got beautiful fat hips! Really looking forward to germination.
Bw,
Jukka
Helsinki/Finland