There may have been some anonymous help...

General Discussion
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I’d previously posted my delight about two self set seeds from R. Stellata mirifica germinating. One has been tremendously more vigorous than the other. It now appears it may be a hybrid the bees or other “helper” accomplished anonymously. The weaker seedling honestly appears to be a Stellata mirifica.

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The more vigorous seedling is REALLY much more vigorous! The foliage is very different, too.

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Photographing it on a rather cloudy day, the highly blue-turquoise coloring isn’t apparent, but you can see, in the folds of the new foliage, the ‘bloom’ it carries. It shows as the purple-gray shading in the inner folds of the new leaves. The last photo above shows the stronger seeding in its five gallon can with the weaker, probably more pure Stellata mirifica seedling at its feet in a two gallon.

This flash photo, taken at night, more accurately depicts the “blue” of the foliage.

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There were no other species or species cross seeds planted where these two seedlings germinated, nor were there any which may have dropped any seed in the table. The roses with the closest proximity to where Stellata mirifica grew, before it died, are 0-47-19, Clair Matin, Muriel, Purple Skyliner, Joseph’s Coat, Roxburghii and Fedtschenkoana. The seed was definitely from self set hips off Stellata mirifica. The foliage density, prickles, foliage and plant coloration and bloom on the new foliage, seem to me this may actually be a natural hybrid between Stellata mirifica and Fedtschenkoana. I actually thought to smell the new growth of the more vigorous seedling today, figuring the extremely humid, warm, overcast day should permit it to express some scent. It was a very nice, sweet “pine” scent, sweeter than the other scented rose foliage I’ve smelled with pine fragrance. Any thoughts?

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Any chance it could be pollen from Grandmothers’ Hat? It does have that darker folded new growth and a piney fragrance? Bees are not respectors of distance, ya’know.

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Very nice Kim - love the color and health of the foliage!

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Of course, anything is possible, Jackie. If it is Grandmother’s Hat pollen, that means the insect had to fly past the majority of the other roses in the yard and to Stellata. Thanks, Jim. I’m liking it more and more as it matures.

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I just noticed something REALLY exciting! The potential Stellata mirifica hybrid has flower buds! It is now in its second season and it’s flowering![flickr_photo src=http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3718/9541070433_3739b9f8dd.jpg nsid=67995840@N04 id=9541070433]DSCN5256[/flickr_photo][flickr_photo src=http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7403/9541070407_eabe246547.jpg nsid=67995840@N04 id=9541070407]DSCN5257[/flickr_photo][flickr_photo src=http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7299/9543859124_4ebe42db31.jpg nsid=67995840@N04 id=9543859124]DSCN5258[/flickr_photo][flickr_photo src=http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7424/9543858674_82edc76a22.jpg nsid=67995840@N04 id=9543858674]DSCN5261[/flickr_photo]

The potential hybrid continues to outstrip its sister seedling. The more traditional appearing Stellata seedling is the small one in front of the larger, arching seedling.
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You can see the more traditional look of it.
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Here is one you have got to post as soon as it blooms. Congrats again!

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Thanks! I KNOW! Oh, goodie! Something NEW to obsess about! LOL!

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The foliage on this seedling is about the same color as the Tamarisk seedlings which pop up in wet spots near the river beds, sort of a silvery-blue-turquoise. It is even more blue than Fedtschenkoana. There aren’t any prickles or mossing on the sepals and peduncles, though both Mirifica and Fedtschenkoana are quite prickly or mossy. It’s also forming flower clusters significantly different than either the known seed parent or the suspected pollen parent. This is going to be fun!
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Nice looking plant Kim, any guess what color it might turn out to be, don’t say pink

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But, it probably WILL be some shade of pink. I’m hoping for some shade of mauve, but white is a good possibility, too.

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I love the blue-green foliage!

Regards,
Cathy

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Kim, that’s an awesome hybrid. My guess before you said it was in the vicinity was R. fedt… If so, I wonder how far you might be from a repeating offspring?

Not what I would have expected from R.s.m. though. But a really drought tolerant R. fedt. would be pretty cool!

Can’t wait to see the blooms!

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Dang it, David, YOU jinxed it! LOL! It should be open tomorrow and it appears it will be PINK! [flickr_photo src=http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3821/9605157914_43aacaaed9.jpg nsid=67995840@N04 id=9605157914]DSCN5319[/flickr_photo][flickr_photo src=http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7306/9601921811_9a635296af.jpg nsid=67995840@N04 id=9601921811]DSCN5321[/flickr_photo][flickr_photo src=http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2834/9605157668_d10e4e4a8f.jpg nsid=67995840@N04 id=9605157668]DSCN5322[/flickr_photo]

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Just think of pink as one step closer to mauve… Wouldn’t a “blue” bloom on that foliage be stunning?

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Oh, yeah! If that thing opened really blue, I’d need a shower! LOL!

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First bloom! Overcast morning, warm, moist, 20% chance of thunder storms which translates to “Florida warm sticky with zero water.” Very faint scent, but I can’t make out what it impresses me as. It’s a pale, silvery pink which seems it might bleach out much lighter in stronger sun or heat.
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That is one heck of a nice bloom from a two yr old R. stellata! and more to come. Whom does the hip form resemble?

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Thank you. This thing is greatly resembling a pink Fedtschenkoana or something related to Californica. Nothing about it impresses me as being related to Stellata, but that’s what the seeds were where it germinated. I hadn’t planted anything containing Fedtschenkoana near it in the table. There weren’t any Fed. hybrids anywhere near it to drop anything into the table and the soil was new, fresh from the bag. Californica won’t flower here, too little water for it and the Golden Angel X R. Cal. nana hybrid nearly died that year and hadn’t flowered until this summer. Weird. I’m tentatively calling it, “Puzzlement”.

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That is a beautiful rose, what great foliage.

Your ‘Indian Love Call’ actually has pretty blue foliage I’m always shocked at how blue it is when seeing it across the yard. I think you’re a blue-foliage specialist.

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Looking at the foliage I believe them to be stellata hybrids. These could be the start of a dynasty.

I was going to commend you on being able to maintain stellata but I took a minute to read the tread and realized you couldn’t. You’re in good company, although I blame the TSA x-ray machine for the demise of mine.