I really think the stippling on some of the Buck roses is a nice trait. I have been poking around and it seems like a majority of the Bucks that are stippled have this rose in its background:
[ World’s Fair x Floradora ] x Applejack
Just wondering what in this combination might be the source of the stippling. I have no experience with either World’s Fair or Floradora and am wondering if either of these roses exhibit the stippling/speckles. Applejack doesnt.
I am also wondering about the rose [ World’s Fair x Floradora ]. Its the same cross as Heidelberg. I wonder if its the same rose. It would be interesting to find out what the [ World’s Fair x Floradora ] used by Buck was like.
The stippling is probably from R. spinosissima/pimpinellifolia. Quite a few roses with this background have stipple/freckles/spots on the petals. This background is also present in the McGredy “Handpainted” line that includes Picasso, Old Master, etc. Henry Marshall had some seedlings with this sort of thing at the Morden experiment station, and they had a similar background, if I remember correctly.
Interesting. I am further curious now though.
Sevilliana, a fairly stippled rose, is this:
Seed: Vera Dalton x Dornr
I think the stippling trait comes from Applejack because if you closely look at the petals of Applejack, you can see very faint stippling.
Laxa is most likely to be the one that provided the trait.
I have Floradora. It’s a coral orange, very similar in color to tropicano with a shade more coral in the blend. Very similar as I said to Tropicana in color though a smaller flower. Purchased World’s Fair this year from Roses Unlimited. Hybrid Tea size blooms, semidouble, dark warm red (no blue to it at all; shades verge more to a black red). Very lovely; am very pleased with this historical rose. So far the blooms seem one to a stem and it seems more like a hybrid tea to me. Also have Heidelberg;purchased last year from RU. It is a blend of the two parents, World’s Fair and Floradora, bloom size wise and color wise.It is a coral red, with an unusual sheen to the petals. None of the above roses have even a suggestion of stippling so would have to agree with the previous post.
Stipling of rose flowers can come from Rosa arkansana. It’s common to see this trait in populations of the species. The Rosa arkansana ‘Morden Ruby’ in the nursery trade has a stippled pink colour but actually it is a sport and not the true cultivar. Even if one were to obtain the true ‘Morden Ruby’, it’s likely when propagated it would again sport to the stippled pink colour.
I have found stippling in a number of seedlings from the cross Dornrosen x Baby Love. My assumption at the time was that it came from Dornrosen. I don’t remember right now if I’ve had other Dornrosen cross seedlings to see if I saw it elsewhere.
Beginning to sound like stippling may have a number of sources.
Yes, it does sound as though stippling may have several sources. McGredy got it from Fruhlingsmorgen (which has spinosissima ancestry), and I found it in some of my crosses with spinosissima ancestry back in about 1980. I mentioned Henry Marshall above. Paul is right–Henry had some seedlings with stippling from R. arkansana. He mentioned it in a letter dated 1976, referring to “mottled” color in seedlings from complex R. arkansana hybrids. These R. arkansana hybrids later produced some of the better-known releases from the Morden experiment station.
This is really interesting. It might be fun to put several of these different sources of stippling together. It some cases, stippling looks like a infestation of one sucking insect or another. In other cases, it can really add some character to a rose. Gives the rose some depth.
Its also interesting to find that one source of this behavior is from a species rose.
I wish HMF listed stippling in its flower characteristics. I cant think of many roses, other than Buck roses that have this trait. I would really like to compile a list of several varied roses that have this trait and look for some common ancestry.
Potential Sources so far:
I will have to try some crosses between these. I already had planned on doing a Jans Wedding cross with Applejack. Jans Wedding is Dornrosen x Lichtk
Now that you mention it, I remember a friend telling me about a stippled R. acicularis plant he found.
Seems that the stippled may have come from many cold hard species roses… laxa, acicularis, spinosissima, arkansana…
Makes me wonder what other hidden traits other roses may have…