“Temple Bells’ x ‘Anemone’ hips”
That sounds like a dream cross to me.
You may not get repeat but what a step in the right direction!
“Temple Bells’ x ‘Anemone’ hips”
That sounds like a dream cross to me.
You may not get repeat but what a step in the right direction!
Rose Gilardi seems like a good avenue. I’d probably use it as a pollen parent as the little hips are small, tight and painful to handle lol.
I got some seedlings out of Tickles x Rock Creek last year. Hopefully they will be less prone to bs than Tickles is. They’ll definitely be the goal of 3’x3’ compact shrublets. Michael Dykstra definitely had a lot of fun with stripers in the 1990s.
There is some evidence that suggests that striping may be inherited through cytoplasmic DNA, making it better to use the stripe as the female. Just FYI
My experience with purple roses, particularly violet and particularly those from multiflora, is alkalinity causes chlorosis worse than with others and it can quickly affect the intensity of the violet tones. Sometimes to the point of making violet nearly white. Reine des Violettes in my old garden had to be mulched with peat moss and Ironite to make it anything more than pale pink.
Jeanie, the lavender stripe seedling that you mentioned was pretty in the greenhouse, but the color washed out too much outside, so for space reasons, I let it go. I have a few darker lavender vs. purple with white stripes seedlings that I am evaluating, but none as good as ‘Purple Splash’. I started on this purple stripe path in 1998 when I decided that I would get a more vigorous ‘Purple Tiger’ by crossing it with ‘Stainless Steel’. Well, it wasn’t that easy. I have carried that line up to this point and am still not completely happy with what I am seeing. We seem to have had better luck through ‘Fourth of July’ (which you will note is also in the background of ‘Purple Splash’). After Hulthemia crosses, stripe crosses produced my second largest group of seeds for planting this year. There is still much to explore with stripes.
Kathy, purples seem sensitive to over and under fertilizing as Kim noted. Also the purple comes out best in full sun. A well balance fertilization program and not overdoing it with the Phosphorus should give you good results.
Adam, it seems that stripes are inherited as a dominant trait. I have made crosses with the stripe parent being used as either pollen or seed parent with equally good results. Because the stripe trait is dominant, I have always in the past crossed a striped rose with a non-striped rose. Last year however, I did a few crosses where I crossed striped roses with other striped roses and have planted about 200 seeds of these. I would suspect that there would be a higher percentage of striped seedlings among these. Orange/yellow stripes and red/yellow stripes are the hardest to get. It did once get a yellow/brown stripe that looked very unusual, but the plant was very weak. Though I tried to keep it, ultimately it failed. I do have one seedling from it that I am still using.
There is a striped seedling of Mr. Ralph Moore’s that I like very much for breeding, that I believe carries the code name of “Weeks X Old Master”. It is seed and pollen fertile and produces a wide range of stripe colors. Paul or Robert, do you have this one? It is one that I would hope would be released someday because it is so nice.
Jim Sproul
I don’t have it Jim. I never sought out stripes.
I think they are fascinating but I’m happy to let others explore them.
I have ‘Hurdy Gurdy’ here but only because it was gifted to me by a dear friend. I used it for the first and only time season before last. You’re right. Stripes are dominant. It would be very easy to get caught up producing hundreds.
Maybe you should ask David Byrne if Texas A&M plans on introducing it?
If I was lucky to live in the USA, I would definitely be mucking around crossing hulthemia with a striper parent, to be sure!
You know what prompted me to do the “Temple Bells” x ‘Anemone’ Robert? If you go back and look through the lineage of TB you’ll find Noistette blood from a plant called ‘Margarita’. It appaears twice in the pedigree. Seeing as a lot of Teas and Noisettes were mixed I assumed this indicated a fair degree of compatibility and the pollen parent of ‘Anemone’ is a Tea of some description… so I was hoping there might have been some kind of compatibility there… that and TB seems to accept everything (though it didn’t accept ‘Paul’s Scarlet Climber’ for some reason), and ‘Anemone’ flowered so well for me this year for the first time since planting it three years ago and it looked like it was producing so much pollen just begging to be tried on something (‘Anemone’ has grown like a weed for me this year producing long canes that have reached a veggie garden and consumed my ‘Black Russian’ tomatoes LOL). I’ll move the veggie garden over winter away from the rose with a taste for salads and with any luck next year there will be even more flowers to play with
Jim,
I don’t have the Moore rose you are describing, I don’t think. I have two climbers, both striped, one a kind of orange on cream and the other is a dark orange on yellow stripe that was on the 2008 list for new releases that, of course, never happened. I think the likelihood of TAMU ever sending any of these out into commerce is very slim. As others have pointed out, they haven’t exactly been proactive in marketing the Basye hybrids…
Thanks Jim, well your Life Lines produces great pollen, and I only had this plant since last spring. I tried the pollen on several HT roses such as Gemini, Neptune and Stepen Rulo and a few seeds have germinated from the SR cross so we will just have to wait and see. I like the purple striped seedling that your son bred, that is a winner for sure!
Paul, I havent had issues with using stripes in either direction. For example, this cross uses the striper as a pollen parent:
http://www.rosehybridizers.org/forum/message.php?topid=12582#12584
Robert, you are right that we have to be disciplined not to go in too many directions - I hope that I am getting better at that - but maybe not!
George, I have tried that cross and found that the white stripes obliterate the Hulthemia blotch! I am still trying, but not sure what I’ll get. Most of the stripes tend to have a relatively larger central white zone (that competes with the blotch) - would need a striper that produces good stripes all the way to the center I think.
Simon, I hope that one doesn’t develop carnivorous tendencies!
Mr. Moore gave me a plant before the TAMU connection was made. I was glad to see though that TAMU does have copies of the plant (at least they did when they were housed at Greenheart).
Paul, if no one else has it though, I would be interested in finding out whether I can send it around. This one is very interesting.
Jeanie, I hope that ‘Life Lines’ gives you something interesting!
Jim Sproul
If it does… I’ll call it ‘Audrey’ (of Little Shop of Horrors fame LOL).