@HighVeldRoseGrower, good intentions seldom pan out to actual realizations with me! I have yet to acquire the species for those plans as I have more plants than real estate as is, and impulsively purchase more when I see them on sale.
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Kim, does your baby from the amphidiploid 86-3, Lynnie 863, have potential to yield rebloomers?
How ginormous does 86-3 itself get, and how shade tolerant do you feel it might be? That is a baby I have been intrigued by for many years.
(And where can I acquire more land for cheap?..)
Unfortunately probably the only places you’d be able to obtain “cheap land” would be where nothing grows and living is nearly impossible.
The Lynnie X 86-3 DOES rebloom. The L56-1 X 86-3 doesn’t and I would hope it contains the potential for it. I’ve not worked with it. Too many other ideas swirling around taking energy. Robert Rippetoe has worked with the Lynnie seedling and has results several generations down from it.
86-3 will probably grow as large as soil, resources and climate allow. Shade tolerance likely depends upon climate. Of course its “shade tolerance” will be greater here and where you are compared to more northern areas where it may be able to be grown. Its parents are “shade tolerant” to grow until they can push through and throw themselves into the sun where they flower.
Fertilization from atop a cherry picker sounds like fun. 
Where does an F1 of 86-3 get the ability to rebloom? (Why do I even try to understand this stuff?) I love the depth of color on her (the Lynnie seedling).
Lynnie is a fertile tripled. The seedling obviously picked it up from Lynnie. There is enough of 86-3 in it to determine it’s in there. One of many fun things fertile tripods do.
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Speaking of Basye’s amphidiploids, does anyone grow his doubled rugosa x wichurana clone 86-7? I know TAMU is still working with it but I doubt they’d just send cuttings to an amateur breeder.
TAMU was once rather generous with material. I understand they now don’t send material as the have RRD in their fields. Hopefully there have been improvements but that was the last I had heard.
Does that imply the products of their breeding efforts will never be viable for market, Kim? Oof… And they are probably the sole repository for some of the hybrids I’ve been curious about…
They supposedly partnered with nurseries with both Basye and Moore varieties a couple of decades ago. I’d think if anything commercial had resulted there would have been evidence of it by now. I can tell you Robert Rippetoe has sent material raised from some of my Legacy and 86-3 seedlings. So far none have been selected. RRD has eliminated some truly original material.
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