Searching for Keith's Delight

Roses for Hybridizing
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Kim and Jadae,

I’d appreciate your opinions, or anyone else, on choices for breeding stock to order for spring. In another thread I discussed a goal for purple/mauve flowers on grey/blue leaves and red/purple canes. I’ve got choices lined up for pursuing that line.

Two other lines I’m thinking of are breeders from a rugosa line and a R.wichuraiana hybrid line that are either tetraploid or fertile triploids. The goals would be primarily disease resistance and decent hardiness. Secondarily I’d be hoping for shades of yellow/peach/apricot,deep red, purple/mauve…anything but pink or white please! lol

The current breeders I have are Westerland, Autumn Sunset, Sunsprite, Illusion, Quadra, Polka, Midnight Blue, Ruglauca, ‘Skinner’s Red Leaf Perpetual’, Cinco de Mayo, Cuthbert Grant, Rugosa #3, Softee and Jeri Jennings. I have access to New Dawn at a friends house as well and pollen from Queen Elizabeth in town with a chance of a plant of QE if I can root it.

I’ve ID’d some potential breeders to help me move forward with my goals and they are:

Rugosa line:

Rugelda, Keith’s Delight, and hopefully MAGseed at some point.

R. wichuriana line:

Little Flirt, Snow Carpet, Simon Robinson, Little Buckaroo, Immensee, New Penny, Anytime, Magic Carrousel and Avendel.

I don’t think I can go wrong with my choices for the rugosa line but need some advice with narrowing down the wichuriana line choices. Any suggestions regarding my choices or suggestions for other varieties would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys!.

Rob

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How is Red Fairy where you are? Sean McCann created a very interesting shrub, Smiling Jean, 'Smiling Jean' Rose with no listed parentage. It SURE looks Wich. here, flowers all the time and kind of looks plastic in its perfection. Can’t tell you anything else about it. Also look at Fresh Pink. 'Fresh Pink' Rose Paul can give more information about it in a harsher disease and temperature area. Here, is is bullet proof and gorgeous. Ralph had an old plant of it in the seedling/breeding area. He frequently stood in front of that and told me “I once stopped counting at 500 buds and blooms on that plant!”

Paul, do you still have my Inner Wheel X 0-47-19?'IW0-47-19' Rose Do you remember how it was for disease there? I have the one you sent me and will be happy to share if anyone finds it interesting. I’ve always liked Inner Wheel and found it interesting all those years ago when Peter Schneider stated it was the only hand painted rose not to black spot in Ohio.

If you don’t have it and would like it, there are YARDS of Basye’s Thornless Wichurana out back. It will probably root in the shipping box!

This seedling has been clean and rather vigorous so far. 'Anne Belovich' Rose I’m trying to root it for root stock.

I hope this flowers this spring. '0-47-19DLFED' Rose

Paul, how does MORoserug do up there? "MORoserug" Rose

Honest, nothing is “proprietary” with me other than those shared with me by others who wish them not to be distributed. If it looks intersting and you’d like to try it, ask! Kim

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"I’ve always liked Inner Wheel and found it interesting all those years ago when Peter Schneider stated it was the only hand painted rose not to black spot in Ohio. "

Oh yeah? Well, it has no special Blackspot resistance here! It typically defoliates from disease by mid-June. I don’t know how your seedling fares, Kim, as it has spent its life in a gallon pot on the greenhouse floor. (Of course, it has rooted through the drainage holes years ago and become a monstrous things in its own right) I have tried repeatedly to get it to work as a seed parent but it has declined again and again. I need more seed parents than pollen parents, but I could try its pollen on something next year.

“Paul, how does MORoserug do up there?”

Beats me, I don’t have it here.

Rob,

“Magseed” is nearly useless as a seed parent (the name erroneously suggests otherwise), but is highly fertile as a pollen parent. While we work on getting you your own plant of it, I can easily arrange to get you loads of pollen in spring 2011 to get things started.

Paul

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Paul, would you LIKE MORoserug? It’s thrown a thick, thorny cane up through the Maneti escaped rootstock on the hill and I can easily send pieces when you wish them.

I planted seeds of IW0-47-19 X DLFED2 a few weeks ago. Hopefully, something will come up from it. Kim

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Red Fairy is wonderful here.

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Kim,

I’m unfamiliar with Red Fairy so I can’t comment on it. It has Simon Robinson as a parent and that is one I’ve been researching so it might be one I should look at. Does it have decent fertility? Smiling Jean sounds like it’s very healthy but I’m one who likes to know what the parentage is for those varieties I work with…just a thing for me. :slight_smile: Fresh Pink sounds good. It’s 37.5% wichuriana and 25% Rosa roxburghii…nice species representation there. There are no descendants listed but one can hope that has some fertility. How is the fertility of ‘IW0-47-19’? I bet that one would be easy to root. :slight_smile: I’m not finding Basye’s Thornless wichuriana on HMF. I did see Basye’s Thornless which is a R. carolina derivative. Is that the one you refer to? ‘0-47-19DLFED’ has very interesting parentage and is one I’d like to try. Is there repeat bloom on that one? Thanks again for your generous offer of plant material. I’ll be emailing you this spring wiht a list. :slight_smile:

Paul,

Magseed pollen in 2011 would be wonderful. I’ll see if I can get Rugelda and Keith’s Delight for spring and if I’m lucky I’ll have blooms of those to use Magseed’s pollen on. If not I have others to use. Thank you for the offer.

Thanks for the input guys!

Rob

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Re: Wichurana hybrids

I plan on working with Pink Drift, Red Fairy, Sweet Sue (pics on HMF do not do it justice), as well as continue with my favorite wichurana hybrid – Carefree Marvel, which everyone seems to dislike aesthetically, but the offspring are nice! I began using Yellow Brick Road, which has retained the wichurana foliage on a larger scale in true yellow. I am probably going to drop using Flower Carpet Amber in favor of Flower Carpet Scarlet (pollen, Thanks Simon!). I am dropping Coral Drift because its annoying to work with.

Has anyone tried Coral Meidiland? It looks useful but it could be sterile. I LOVE Green Snake. Its the weirdest rose ever. Its like 2" tall x infinite" wide, lol.

I have also tried Electric Blanket and Baby Blanket but theyre a pain to work with. I got Electric Blanket to stick onto Summer Wind, so we will see how that plays out. My EB likes to abort hips, which seems to be rather common in these uneven ploidy wichurana landscape types.

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The patent for Coral Meidiland states, “Aptitude to bear fruit.–Good,” which means lord knows what since they are among some that hold plant patents that are not always sincere with the traits given. However, thats a better statement than I had hoped for.

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Rob, Ralph used Red Fairy extensively, very much as pollen parent, but there have been seeds, also. Fresh Pink sets many seeds. I haven’t germinated any.

Paul says he hasn’t been able to get seed out of IW0-47-19, but it sets seed here. I’ve planted the first ones now. No, Basye’s Thornless=Commander Gillette=Basye’s Legacy and they’re not the thornless Wich. The Thornless Wich is a thornless Wichurana.

0-47-19DLFED just germinated and hasn’t flowered yet. You’re very welcome! I can’t wait to hear how things do elsewhere! Kim

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RE wichurana hybrids… my favourite is ‘Temple Bells’… It loves every pollen, strikes like a weed, the seeds germinate easily and it repeats for me here. It also seems to make great seedlings with everything and it makes boat-loads of pollen that seems to work on whatever you put it on too.

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Jadea,

I have cutting of Livin’ Easy X Robusta. It sets hips easily, the OP seedlings take time to germinate but they will. Flowers aren’t very pretty, but they got a rugosa scent. They blue easily, but it also is very floriferous and quickly repeats.

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Little Green Snake is even more amazing than Green Snake. Lying so flat and dense.

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Maybe thats what is growing @ Heirlooms, and not Green Snake. Whatever it is, it is flat and spreads the whole bed from of about a 4’ x 4’ circular layout. Its foliage is rounded. Everything is emerald green and the simple blush-white blooms are cute and random in early summer. The website says they sell Green Snake but the description doesnt match what is on display. The description makes it sound more like Max Graf, which looks like a massive pile of snakes with pink blooms, LOL.

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Rob, how does Red Wand impress you? Paul has stated it has been a clean, blooming fool for him. The only issue it has had here is the bloody squirrel, or bloody hopefully SOON!, squirrel, likes it as he does the Banksia seedling.

It flowers all the time and ranges from red to nearly purple colors. It’s also be completely clean in a bed of pots where everything else is either mildewy or defoliated from black spot. There aren’t any listed offspring, but that simply means Ralph never released any. Kim

Link: www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.22207&tab=1

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Kim,

I’m not finding anything for Basye’s Thornless Wichurana in HMF.

Red Fairy looks like a great possibility as does Temple Bells, Coral Meidiland and Fresh Pink.

Jadae…how is the fertility of Yellow Brick Road?

Thanks for all of the suggestions guys!

Rob

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I can supply starts of ‘Red Wand’ if anyone wants to work with it. It doesn’t appear to set seed, but has somewhat fertile pollen. Totally bulletproof rose, for me.

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So its like [(0-47-19 x Orange Triumph) x (

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Rob, Yellow Bricks Road’s pollen works, as does seed set. Its still too new for proper evaluation. I cannot believe it is disappearing from the market. Landscapers would LOVE it. Sunny Knock Out and all those other random yellows like Limencello look like “blech!” compared to it.

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Paul,

I’d like to give Red Wand a try and see what the pollen can do.

Jadae,

Thanks for the information on YBR. I like what I see in the pictures on HMF.

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Red Want looks gorgeous in the HMF pictures! Very nice blooms and the leaves look so clean.