Just posted two current pictures of the seedling that had maiden bloomed last year…
Link: maprc.blogspot.com/2011/05/rosa-rugosa-x-hazeldean.html
Very nice Tom, it looks yellow to me.
Patrick
Tom, for a first generation rugosa seedling, I think that’s pretty darned impressive. Without researching, it seems every yellow “rugosa” I know of has relatively little rugosa in its genome. I understand where you might have hoped for a little more given papa’s coloring, but I think that’s pretty exciting, and who knows what a second cross could bring…
I assume non-recurrent? What is fragrance like? Healthy and bristly?
(So, new seedlings have taken 2+ years to germinate?)
Congrats. I always enjoy seeing your crosses.
Tom, your seedling is similar to the ‘Hansa’ x ‘Hazeldean’ cross Percy Wright made to get his tricolour rose ‘Musician’.
Very nice.
That’s very nice foliage! I’d judge that a great start at ridding the plant of the Rugosa mauve. Congratulations! Kim
Beautiful! I love apricot. You’re in Maryland too right Tom? I hope I’m remembering correctly.
- Max
Hi all,
Thanks for the interest and kind words!
Philip: I’m pretty sure it’s non-recurrent. It is super-bristly/prickly and very healthy. I keep forgetting to recheck the fragrance, but if I’m remembering right, I think it was similar to Scotch rose in fragrance. And as for the years to germination… that was just my fault for keeping the dry seeds around unplanted for [gulp] 3 years or so before planting them. The first time I did the cross and planted the seeds, I only had a few seeds but the seedling pictured came up the very first Spring. So I repeated the cross the following year, but never got around to actually planting them, until last Fall.
Margit: Thanks for the link to see Musician. I had heard of this one before, but had never seen it. It sure is pretty.
Kim: I’m just starting to really appreciate the foliage. I’d been paying so much attention to the blooms that I’d been overlooking that. As for the rugosa mauve… I have another cross just now in bloom - from rugosa X ‘Double White’ Scotch. I was repeating a much earlier cross of rugosa X spinosissima (that I had really liked), but hoping to get doubleness this time. Long story short… it seems that all of these rugosa X Pimpinellifoliae type crosses change the mauve-y-ness of rugosa to some clearer shade of pink. I’ll try to get pictures posted.
Max: Hi! Yes, you’re remembering correctly - I’m in Maryland too and it seems to be quite happy here in spite of our particular disease challenges. When it suckers (and hopefully it will), I’ll earmark a piece for you. And speaking of apricot… I meant to try rooting some “Jefferson” damask X ‘Carefree Sunshine’ for you but haven’t gotten around to it yet. It’s a once-bloomer and fairly pale, but it’s fragrant, with sort of old-fashioned form and is pretty healthy here. I think its real value will be in breeding potential. I have a few seedlings of it just coming up, from ‘Home Run’ pollen. I’m hoping for a little more color and some repeat this time.
Sounds excellent Tom! It’s always nice to see other people in the same state interested in the same things as you. Especially Maryland where we probably have the worst blackspot in the country. I think it’s integral more breeding takes place here as it would really set the standard for disease resistance for the east coast/south I think since there are things that do okay south of us that while hardy here, we just can’t grow no-spray.
That would be awesome too, I’d gladly take any suckers! You’re welcome to any suckers of my ‘Tuscany Superb’ if you don’t have that already, and one of ‘Hazeldean’ that I’m debating whether to keep or cut from the mother plant. I have enough now to probably make over 10 other plants of ‘Tuscany Superb’ though…
Hey Kim, here’s a link to pictures of two rugosa X ‘Double White’ Scotch Rose hybrids. The color in the picture of the second darker seedling needs adjusted. It is really just a darker version of the pink of the first one - should not be so close to the rugosa fuschia color, like the picture would suggest. Unfortunately, good photography isn’t something that comes naturally to me ;0)
Link: maprc.blogspot.com/2011/05/rosa-rugosa-x-double-white-scotch-rose.html
Thanks, Tom. I love Rugosas, though they hate it here, but that mauvy color gets as tiring as the pinks which come SO often from Legacy. Kim
Tom
Could you share your thinking about breeding spins with rugosas? It seems a very brave act.
Hi Tom,
I really like the foliage of the first one too. I have done very little breeding with Rugosas, but have always been attracted to their foliage. Looks very clean - great color too!
Jim Sproul
I really like these spin, rugosa crosses, I’m going to have to try some myself. I’m thinking ‘Schneezwerg’ X ‘R. ecae’ could be interesting.
I’d try using Jens Munk instead., but that is my personal opinion.
Thanks for your interest guys.
Lydia: I don’t know about brave, except maybe having to deal with all those thorns ;0) but seriously… I think that rugosa and spinosissima lines combine extremely well as far as health and vigor go. The biggest issues would probably be the once-blooming and infertility issues and maybe the suckering tendency (which I don’t mind). I still think that crossing repeat-blooming spinosissima derivatives with more modern rugosas might give some dynamite offspring. If I had repeat blooming spinosissima derivatives growing I’d try that myself. [Hint, hint, somebody!]
Tom… what about ‘Nevada’ with your modern rugosa hybrids? Its hips looks very spin. to me and it repeats well for me here. It’s one I want to try this coming season onto ‘Freycinet’ and rugosa ‘alba’ as well though it’s a tetraploid. Are there any good rugosa-looking tetraploid rugosa hybrids? Does anyone have any experience with ‘Wild Edric’ ('Wild Edric' Rose)? It’s not here yet but I wonder if it’s a tet.?
Hi Simon,
Sorry I missed your post. I’ve never grown ‘Nevada’ but that’s an interesting suggestion. As far as good rugosa-looking tetraploid rugosa hybrids… I can’t offhand think of something that would fit that mold. But maybe some heavily kordesii derived roses would be close enough???
By the way… I tried to access your Cherokee Hills blog and it seems to be missing. I hope everything’s alright and it’s just technical issues.
Best wishes, Tom