Salmon orange HT rose ID

Can anyone help ID this salmon-orange HT (the true color was impossible for me to capture accurately in the pictures here…the pictures here are showing way too much pink tone):



It is lightly fragrant. The petals have a small yellow zone at their point of attachment to the flower, otherwise the petals are a salmon orange

The double flowers have ~25 petals and the bloom is ~3.5" across. They have a slight non-descript fragrance.

It is a mature plant, and grows about 5 foot high (but it is growing in a poorly lit position, almost never getting direct sunlight, and the soil is garbage). The bush has a rather lanky stick-like HT architecture, quite awful really.

BUT I LOVE the color soooo much, too bad I can’t show you here the beautiful warm salmon tone :frowning:

Might be Traumerei but I do not know since there is only the bloom to go by. I am guessing that its a descendant of Colour Wonder but it would be useful to see the foliage too. Also, are the stems more heavily armoed than other HT/GR types there? Colour Wonder’s dominant trademark on most of its descendants is a some fairly sharp thorns massed at the bottom of every cane.

Yeah there are prickles. On the more mature canes the prickles are more obvious, and show a pattern of randomly placed bigger ones with much smaller ones interspersed…a rather chaotic prickle situation, I would say.

And for what it’s worth, here is a leaf:



There is some sheen to the leaves which can’t be conveyed in this poor quality picture. In reality, the leaf surface is neither very glossy nor totally matt.

Lady Rose is possible. It doesnt quite look like either Impatient of Traumerei foliage. There is a coral rose called Karen Julie down under but I have no clue what its foliage looks like.

Thanks for the effort, Michael.

Yea I too am stumped on this one.

My guess is Woburn Abbey growing/flowering very poorly in its marginal spot.

However I have never seen Woburn Abbey with a name tag, so I’ll make an effort to do so as soon as I can to compare a known specimen face to face.

WA is a bicolor from the Goldilocks line. Its a line that usually has glossy, rounded foliage that is usually covered in blackspot lol.

It’s not ‘Woburn Abbey’

This was my WA right before I fed it to the alpaca…



There is one grown a lot in Australia called ‘Happy Anniversary’, from Treloars, that looks a bit like this. It’s an orange sport of ‘Kardinal’. This is mine from last year:



It could be anything though really…

This rose has a most beautiful warm uniform orange with lots of underlying yellow, not hinting any pink tones at all.

I can’t dercribe the color any better.

In the first photo I posted, the true color is the sort of orange tone that shows in the tip of the lowest petal on the bottom left of the flower, only even more “saturated”.

I am starting to think this HT is Monica (TANaknom).

Link: www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.4356.1&tab=1