One of my favorite rose species… is anyone having any success in getting F1 from it.
I’m hoping I’ll get a chance to try again next Spring.
healthy laevigata foliage mid-summer in Maryland (which is pretty impressive)
Thanks for the pics, Tom.
I’m trying to resist the temptation to work with those lovely, non-hardy species that I would have to keep in a pot. Maybe someone will successfully cross it with something really hardy and share the results for those of us in the North.
R. laevigata x R. xanthina would be a cool Tom Silvers type of cross to pull off…
I’ve gotten several seedlings from it in both directions, but none that survived for any length of time. Seedlings normally germinate in the fall of the first year (I year plus from harvesting) or the spring of year 2. It’s been a difficult one to work with. The early bloom time limits the possibilities. I had a number of seedlings from Canary Bird pollen last fall that lived a few months before dying. The same cross this year didn’t produce any hips. I also got a couple of seedlings from Cherokee pollen on a found pink china. Those lived for several months but refused to grow. I have seeds now from R. laevigata x R. bracteata, Safrano and Mrs. B. R. Cant from last year. Hoping for some germination next spring. No crosses from this year. That found pink china has produced four healthy seedlings from R. bracteata pollen this year, so maybe I should try R. laevigata on it again. It seems to accept a wide variety of pollen.
It is possible
Geez, guys. I don’t think I’d wanna use it as a Momma. The prospect of getting into those hips to extract seeds makes me cringe at the prospective loss of blood.
But yes, I too have wanted to get this beast to work with it.
Joe wrote:
"Thanks for the pics, Tom.
I’m trying to resist the temptation to work with those lovely, non-hardy species that I would have to keep in a pot. Maybe someone will successfully cross it with something really hardy and share the results for those of us in the North.
R. laevigata x R. xanthina would be a cool Tom Silvers type of cross to pull off…"
You’re welcome! And thank you for the chuckles! LOL Yes, laevigata x xanthina would be one I’d sure love to see! ;0)
And good luck Mark with your seeds, any of those crosses would be pretty cool! The only seedling I’ve ever grown was laevigata X (either helenae or multiflora) - it was a case of a lost tag. I kept it alive for about 3 or 4 years but it was an unhealthy, runty thing and never did bloom before I lost it.
Great job Warren!!! Looks like a winner. I can’t wait to see how that one looks when it blooms for you.
And Philip, I think I’m going to try to use it as pollen parent on my most receptive species (maybe palustris or multiflora). I tried laevigata on rugosa a bunch of times in the past and didn’t have any takes, but hopefully one of these others will accept it.
On rugusa? Tom, you are a masochist! LOL.
That’s funny Philip but I actually use leather gloves and a steak knife to process the really prickly hips like on the bracteata x (rugosa x palustris). So I ain’t skeered! ;0)
Tom, being a know “Pot Stirrer” when it comes to rose breeding and genetics, I have had success with using this rose. I thought, when in doubt, just use Playboy, and so I did. I have one single successful hip of Playboy with R. laevigata as the pollen parent. It is still ripening, but we’ll see what happens when I plant the seeds next spring. You could always try using Queen Elizabeth too. I got her to take Basye’s Purple this year and NOBODY likes to take Basye’s Purple lol!
-Andrew
Andrew, Yellow Jewel accepted Basye’s Purple easily. All of the seedlings were horrible, white, single, prickly, diseased and terribly awkward. Makes you want to run right out and do it again, doesn’t it?
Wow, that’s truly unfortunate Kim! I’m afraid I must insist on not giving up on Basye’s Purple. It’s one one of my top 10 favorite roses. I’m surprised to see that there aren’t any descendants of BP listed on HMF. I appreciate a good breeding challenge, and I feel BP has the potential to add genetic diversity to my breeding program since none of the roses I own have any Foliosa DNA and only a few have traces of rugosa. What I really seek are rare species roses that have seldomly or never been used in breeding modern roses. I’m a firm believer in Hybrid Vigor.
You’d better choose something else to add foliolosa to your breeding line. Basye’s Purple has been determined not to contain it. It’s a very interesting, sometimes very beautiful rose, but it genuinely offers very little of any real benefit for breeding.
Man that stinks! Have any suggestions or do you have or know of someone that would have any extra seedlings or cuttings you might be willing to share Kim? Like an F2 species cross between 3 or 4 uncommon or rare roses? I would be MOST appreciative lol. Thanks!
The “species” I play with, Andrew, are Fedtschenoana, Stellata mifirica, Minutifolia, Hugonis (or whatever Ralph Moore’s “Hugonis” eventually is determined to be) and Basye’s Legacy crosses. I can rough out suckers and cuttings from DLFED 3 , DLFED 5 , cuttings of (it doesn’t sucker) DLFED 4 ; cuttings of CPDLFED 5; cuttings of TOLHUG ; and cuttings of 1-72-1Hugonis as those materials are sufficiently available. Unfortunately the other “species” and “species hybrid seedlings” are too small or immature to harvest anything from them. I have no seeds from Fedtschenkoana. There MAY be a few hips remaining on Moore’s Hugonis, but the vermin nosh on them quite quickly. I wouldn’t think it advisable to collect and mail anything during the heat wave the desert south west is experiencing, but if, once conditions are safer to mail anything, you’re interested in any of them, please remind me. They’re available for just the postage cost.
Thank you for your offer Kim, when the temperature is right I’ll remind you and glady pay for the shipping and postage!
Andrew,
I believe that Bayses Purple is part R. foliolosa, and if this is what you are looking for, I have a few root bound seedlings (X Henry Hudson) from this past spring that I never discarded but did not get around to ‘potting up’ and already have a few growing on so do not need them. I had way more than anybody needs, and even in their root bound state they have remained disease free. Very vigorous, incredible rooting system. Let me know if you want them. Rosa foliosa looks like it has fantastic foliage.
Jackie, that sounds like a fantastic offer. I’d be more than happy to give them ALL a good home! Fortunately one thing I do have going for me is lots of space and lots of sunshine. Send me a private email or message to let me know about the postage. Thanks.
Before I was able to get Basye’s Purple, I did the foliolosa x rugosa cross and got many plants some very close to BP.
If there are any species crosses you are interested in (that were created by Dr. Basye), then I’ll be happy to send you cuttings of them. (As long as you live in the US. If you are located outside of the US, then I will leave it up to you to determine the rules and regulations that must be followed for importation of rose cuttings.)
Click on the ‘My RHA Member Pages’ at the top of the page and you should be taken to a page that has ‘Active Resources’ listed. In the ‘Active Resources’ there is something called the ‘Ralph Moore Rose Collection at TAMU’. This is a bit of a misnomer, I actually listed everything we have. Click on it, and it will open an Excel file. You can spot the the Basye/TAMU material because it is highlighted in an orange color.
I’ve been trying to place all of the information up on HMF…but I just haven’t had time. So, I know that you will look at most of Basye material I have listed and think ‘She has 80-358 listed as a cross between 77-505 and 75-229, but what’s that?!’.
So, I profusely apologize to you and everyone else who has tried to use this list!
You may be interested in 86-3, R. laev is the pollen parent.
86-3 is a beautiful rose just to grow as itself. It CAN produce a few hips with seeds, but most won’t germinate. It rejects all pollen I’ve tried with it. Its pollen has worked on several minis, but the seedlings fail to thrive. The most promising one was Pink Petticoat X 86-3. It was clean, dwarf, bushy, densely foliated and rather interesting. But, evidently the roots weren’t vigorous because it fried in a heat spike when nothing else around it in the table was greatly affected. I’ve not given up on it. There are seeds stratifying now from its pollen. Hard to type with crossed fingers!