This is in the Rosa Garden of Rome, flowering in May. It is fully double. It’s labelled R. foetida.I cannot find any variety of R. foetida or R.foetida bicolor which is double. RHS thinks is it is Masquerade or Joseph’s Coat - it clearly is not either. Polyploid sport or unknown hybrid???
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I’m curious how you have determined “it clearly is not either” of the hybrids you mentioned. It is OBVIOUSLY a modern hybrid rose, and not a double sport of a wildling like foetida.
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Hi and thanks for your comment! OK, this is how I determined “it clearly is not either” of the hybrids I mentioned: I looked at lots and lots of pictures of those varieties, ever so many, and I recalled the times I personally grew both of them in more than one garden, and looked at them, then, using all that information and my own memory, I made a determination! Hope that helps with your curiosity, let me know if I can help any further. And thanks also for your helpful suggestions as to identification…oh, wait…
I can appreciate the personal-experience angle as much as the next person, but I have serious doubts about your ability to “out-bitchy” me.
All who tried have failed. That’s one.
Two, you have supplied no diagnostic criteria. I am sure I’m not the only one who thought ‘Masquerade’ (or any number of similar modern hybrids released in our lifetime). If more photos had been supplied, ie: habit of plant, leaves & stipules, prickles/stems, even the sepals!, I’m sure suggestions would flow freely, as the majority of participants on this forum will use their knowledge to made well-educated stabs at IDing a mislabelled plant. One shot of fully opened flowers isn’t enough when the only secondary-characteristic to be seen is fairly glossy foliage, which only says (as I did) “obviously modern hybrid rose”.
Mislabelling is my biggest pet peeve, btw.
I wouldn’t pretend to know either of the above moderns from e.g. Granada or Rio Samba based on a single photo of a flower, but it is clearly not Austrian Copper. Italy could also have cultivars with which I have zero familiarity.
If you have additional photos of plant and details, you could ask on the rose forum of GardenWeb. (Not my favorite site personally due to some of the personalities that frequent that site… Let’s not try to compete please.)
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Mislabelling is not uncommon in rose gardens unfortunately. Chances are greater that this rose is a European one, if it is a modern one. There are several modern roses with this style of coloring and glossy foliage. Kordes has some. Do you have more pictures and a description of the smell or intensity of smell?
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