I am about to get a new rootstock in the mail, has any one had experience with Buck’s (IOWA 9) Rootstock.
If it’s the IT-9, it’s very hardy but not as easy to get a take on as its stablemate IT-18. Both are very hardy. See the article about them in the American Rose Annual of either 1977 or 1979.
Along the same lines, I know that I’ve asked this before, but is Buck’s “069” the same as one of these? It was a thornless multiflora type derivative.
Jim Sproul
Jim the pieces of root stock which came to me the other day (IOWA 9) looks to be some sort of multiflora, did a search the other day on it and could’nt find anything , it might be 069.
If you have the RHA Newsletters compilation CD, see the article on page 19 of the Spring 1987 issue. If you’d like to read Buck’s discussion of the I.T.-9 and I.T.-18 rootstocks, including their pedigree, read Buck’s article on pp.124-132 in the 1979 American Rose Annual. If you don’t have access to that, I can send you a scanned copy. Just write to me at peter(dot)harris(dot)g(at)gmail(dot)com.
Is there any ideas what this root stock could be? It’s been dug out hacked and wacked for years and won the battle. After some difficulty pulling it out of a tree I noticed it had significant velvet on the petals so the pollen was removed with the idea of cross pollenating to the last photo of a seedling and other velvet seedlings that survived the winter. Hopefully some others will have a better flower, but the form of the plant is okay.
Neil 
It looks like my version of Dr. Huey. This is what they were using for rootstock in Ontario decades ago. I took cuttings on purpose because I really loved what I saw. If this is not Dr. Huey, then I would also like to know what it really is. It accepted pollen from Red Hot, but the offspring had no purple in it.
Looks like Dr. Huey.
Okay thanks, but since this morning much better flowers with velvet have opened so i’ll go that route. Neil
Neil
Now I’m curious. What is your velvety rose? A couple of days ago, I went to the nursery that sells the same roses as Pickering to get Midnight blue, because I’m also enamored of purple/maroons. I left without it because it was such a sad, puny plant. I suppose it’s too tender for this climate. The chinenses including Sophie’s Perpetual were much more robust. Go figure. My OGRs tend to breed pale pink so I’m always on the lookout for purples.
Lydia,
Best guess would be Crimson Glory. Sooner or later a rose guru will show up and then names can be put to numbers. A number of roses show velvet in the bud stage but loose their texture after opening. Different colored fuzzy flowers could be neat.
Reine Des Violettes and a little seedling from last year are the only purples so far, but a lot of last years seedlings are yet to open.
I thought the universely known Crayola would be a good color guide but my best orange matched to macaroni and cheese and there are no purples, such as dark or light purple, only purple mountains majesty. Who ever named these should have been fired but it was probabley the CEO on a creative bent. Neil
Hi Neil,
Use the RHS Colour Chart.
BTW, the Midnight Blue’s were hot pink @ Lowes this year. I guess they also color morph when under heat stress, just like both Purple Heart and Ebb Tide. I have yet to see Big Purple, Old Port (ugh…), Night Owl (ughh… again), and Wild Blue Yonder do this. I have seen Outta the Blue do it the most often. I have never seen International Herald Tribune do this. I was not surprised to see Midnight Blue do this. It was under heat stress, which seems to be the primary trigger, but I was not specifically expecting it. Usually, the blooms just dry up before they do anything, lol. So yeah, it was HOT pink, and it was definitely a batch of Midnight Blue roses.
Try putting that onto a color chart!
For what its worth, I think Purple Heart has the best heat dysmorphic display of all of the above. It begins to mottle the purple over the hot violet color. Its … weird.
Neil
I briefly grew Crimson Glory. It was very hard to find, but sadly didn’t survive. I also grow Liebesauber which is very long lived. In the vase, the roses were identical. The only perceptible difference was in the damask scent of Crimson Glory. CG also grows well on its roots in a cooler climate. My dad’s came from a cutting he stole from a neighbour.
My Reine des Violettes op seedling is fuchsia.
Heirlooms has a VI copy of it growing in their garden, and its definitely one of the sources of both rust and a specific type of proto-architecture in modern roses!
Jadae,
I looked the chart up but didn’t see sales for half a chart and nowhere to buy a used one. There is a gardeners color wheel starting at $5. but I was thinking the same thing before reading your next post, they don’t always have the same color or make-up from year to year so why bother.
Lydia,
I’m not sure it’s Crimson Glory it doesn’t get rust and is always sort of a small flower at 5" dia. Last year it had white lines on some of the petals and now it doesn’t. There is a faint smell of some sort.
I also have a big red 6" Libenjaber but the plants and flowers are dif. and HMF doesn’t bring up the spelling or yours either.
The first flowers are big this year on the roses 7" on some even on a yellow. What really got me was the size of some petals, just over 3 1/2"x 2 1/2" flat and after a rain looked like a drooped tulip.
Neil
CG is also easy to spot becuase its slightly more double compared to its rivals in its era. It also has “form”, which is where several decades following got their “exhibition form”. This is even despite CG having a big smaller flower and unique branching babit than most others of its time. Peace is the same way.
*note: exacpt Peace has a pretty much opposing branching habit, lol. Talk about long “arms”. Then again, some Pernetianas went for miles…
Which reminds me, and excuse my spam, but I believe W.E. Chaplin had more than the usual Pernet/H.Perpetual/Tea in it. The clustering habit and the plant habit of Crimson Glory almost suggests something of Portland/Bourbon x HT/Pertnetiana.
The other reasons to lean towards CG is the germination rate is in the high 90’s, it carries a varied packet of genes and is on a list in second place after Peace as having the most listed off-spring. So i’m sure it’s been worked hard already.