Re: handful of chromosome counts
Posted by Fara Shimbo [email] on Fri, May 22, 2009
Hi, Ulrike,
I’m right up against the Rocky Mountains, at about 1600 meters. I’ll have to make careful notes this year on how CdR does, but I’m determined to get offspring from it! (And from Reine des Violettes!)<<
Where you able to have hip set on Reine? Seems like the pollen is the way to go and there’s not much. Anyone??
I did have success a number of years ago using RdV pollen on Tuscany Superb. One of the seedlings bloom very early and I thought I might have had a repeater but that was not the case. Hope this helps.
Rob
RdV is such a clean plant here it’s worth at least a little effort. Thanks, any info is a help. The project for today will be to put the pollen on a couple minis that seem to set seed.
Neil
Never got it to set hips, no. But I do have a couple of hips from using RdV as the pollen parent.
Here’s hoping you get some germination. As this is late in the season I put the date on the three crosses made.
There’s a little pollen left, so Play Boy and Ebb Tide are next.
Here in Oz, my RdV has some BS. (Might be anthracnose) However, my RdV has only ever flowered in spring, so may mis-named. Never had a mature hip on it.
Rod
Rod here in the Riverina it flowers on and off through the season
Mine was bare root this spring and flowers on and off; sometimes changing to pink. It appears no one has hip set on RdV. Using a magnifying Opti Visor,tweezers and tooth pick the anthers were removed and since the stigmata looked okay the cup like affairs were packed with pollen and anthers of everything on hand right to the brim and tamped. The pollen size appears tiny to large so was used on a triploid and the best seed setters.
The plant I nursed along for fifteen plus years was a very badly virused one from Roses of Yesterday and Today. It behaved as if it was own root, though they budded everything I knew of. It required frequent applications of Ironite, horse manure, chelated iron and Miracid to keep the foliage green and flowers in the mauve ranges. Otherwise, the leaves would go nearly white with pale but darker veins and flowers light lavender to pure white. It was mostly without prickles, though it would occasionally throw one with dense, sharp prickles at the cane base.
The foliage, flowers and sweet, peppery scent of the new growth were all appropriate for RdV. There was never a question as to the validity of the identity. It usually flowered off and on from spring through early fall, but never “heavily”. I never found a single hip on it and was never able to find any stamen and pollen in the flowers. And, I DID try! Like the little girl with the curl in the middle of her forehead, when it was good, it was very, very good. Unfortunately, most of the time it was horrid. Kim
“Like the little girl with the curl in the middle of her forehead, when it was good, it was very, very good. Unfortunately, most of the time it was horrid”
Too funny Kim!
This one came from Mea Nursery east tx., wholesale outfit, no virus and grew great from day one unlike most bare root. It surprised me that there was a lot of anthers, not much pollen though. Could be the location of the plant, next to a fence and no afternoon sun, at least till it grows past six foot.
I’ve tried to use RdV for years and never got anything to take either as a pollen or seed parent. I’ve never even had any OP hips make it to ripening. They usually shrivel up and fall off about mid-summer. Good luck!
It used to surprise me how completely different roses can appear and behave in different climates. RdV is no exception. What really drove it home quite a few years ago was Rosarium Uetersen. Inland where it is HOT, there are no sexual parts to the flower at all, only petals and petaloids. The color is a neon poster paint pink. When I encountered it along the coast and saw a semi double flower of soft coral with its center stuffed with stamen loaded with pollen and this stigma sitting there “asking for it”, as Laurie Chaffin has always been fond of calling it, I was amazed. Totally different flower on the same plant.
It appears Reine des Violettes behaves similarly. I would have loved to have found SOMETHING in those flowers with which to play, but there was never anything. I’ve always thought it would be neat to find something in side a Jacques Cartier flower to work with, too, as the plant is just so darn good in our more arid heat. It flowers year round and has such good fragrance. One of these days, I should get Mayflower as it looks all the world like Jacques, only a darker pink. Surprisingly, it is healthy as a horse here, too. Kim
Hi,
in Germany there are apparentely at least two different roses being sold as Reine de Violettes. Here are links to the website of Mrs Karin Schade. She is trying to sort all those dark/purple/mauve old roses, and she is also selling many of them.
http://www.stauden-und-rosen.de/index.php?seite=projekt_dunkle_alte_rosen&id=1
http://www.stauden-und-rosen.de/index.php?seite=vergleich&id=55
If anyone happens to visit Lower Saxony this is a very interesting nursery, well worth a visit.
Ulrike
Hi Neil,
I do not have Reine des Violettes.
I did work on CdR. It does not form hips.
CdR has not many anthers either, some flowers have no anther at all.
I have a small number of rose plants, that stem from hips that formed after pollination with CdR, but I guess that most of them are apomicts, with no paternal contribution. One plant is now 5 years old and has not flowered yet and this might be the only true offspring of CdR. It is still a small plant consisting of one shoot of 70cm length and its elusive parentage(?) is the only reason I am keepng it.
Ulrike
Hi Ulrike,
That is a big site you posted and was enjoyed looking at. Some really nice poster material.
You have a lot of patience. I have a seedling 3 years old and small that has never flowered, but in this case it would if not in such a horrid place and neglected.
Neil
Neil, I have a thornless, climbing seedling approaching its third bithday which has yet to flower once. It’s from the cross of 1-72-1 X Midnight Blue. There WILL be flower buds on it by winter this year or it WILL go to the landfill. Should anyone want cuttings…LOL! Kim
I take it’s not from neglect. I’ll pass.
The dead wood stays on the seedlings as a marker and besides having a number of dwarfs, others are growing in reverse, (smaller).
Nope, no more “neglect” than any other rose on the hill. It grows beautifully, just no flowers and it is completely without prickles. I wonder if it needs winter chill? We ain’t GOT no winter chill! Kim
hi Kim, here in Deniliquin Australia we are zone 9 , Reine des violettes flowers ok here. How cold does it get where you are in the winter?
cheers Warren