R nutkana vs Schoener's Nutkana

A bit difference between each and HMF photos for Schoener’s. The smaller bloom is a picked R. nutkana. Other is Schoener’s.

First year this has happened that l noticed … before made me wonder why l aquired as no difference between two - size color petal count.

This bloom size may show to me rumoured P Neyron genes active.

Both roses are hardy in my garden. Both planted side by each in shady spot for 5 years plus.

They are being used as M & Fs this year.

Big Neyron if he exists, is getting pollinated by Madame de la Roche Lambert.