Probably not "commercial" but fun!

I’ve been tremendously impressed with the foliage, health and vigor of the Art Nouveau seedlings so far. This is a curiosity which flowered this morning. It’s from Art Nouveau X Pretty Lady. I’ve seen very similarly shaped flowers on Banksiae lutescens, which gave me the immediate idea to try them together, IF this is seed fertile and can be brought into flower while lutescens is blooming.

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It probably would not be commercial but think of the things it could lead to!

I like it. Having something so different (assuming it’s not just the heat that’s causing that) opens up new possibilities for breeders.

That was my thought when I sought Art Nouveau to begin with, Judith. For all I know, it already contains the good stuff from Mr. Scrivens, but I figured mixing in some Pretty Lady couldn’t hurt. I know Art Nouveau is the final result from Roger Lambelin, with all the nastiness removed. I have bud wood coming later from several of Interplant’s "Ruffle’s " series, which I feel are likely also out of Roger Lambelin based upon their petal characteristics. Take a look at these and you’ll see what I mean.

Ruffle’s Dream

Ruffle’s Passion

Mystique Ruffles

Try it against Crested Jewel.

OK, great minds are thinking alike here. You sent me some Art Nouveau pollen, and what I used it on was primarily one plant with flowers very like the Mystique Ruffles, and the other was a very weird flowering plant with great health that I showed you a picture of that showed it in a spotted stage-which it gets sometimes when it gets very cold but it still blooms. Otherwise the flowers often look somewhat (not always quite so bizarre as the one you show) like the ‘curiosity’ from Art Nouveau x Pretty Lady. I think this is a good match. You asked its’ parentage; it is Singing in the Rain x RT 66. It always has a few petals that are striped and 'deformed and twisted, but the color is not good at all-a really faded Floradora type. I think this is a very creative path for pursueing a novel flower type. or maybe it is just weird and crazy.

I’ve grown Crested Jewel and won’t have it in my current climate. There is too much black spot with it and this climate would definitely encourage it. Add the leggy, Little Darling growth and once flowering in a climate that isn’t once flowering friendly and it doesn’t fit. Thanks for the suggestion, though! Yes, Jackie, I do think we have two great minds flowing down the same gutter here! As long as the plants are vigorous and healthy, I’m more than willing to pursue “weird and crazy” creative directions!

I think it’s cute and there are lots of us who like those odd ball ones, lol!

I have something similar out of an OP hip of What a Peach I got from Cliff.

I have gotten the widest variety of shapes, sizes and colors from WaP of any of the OP hips I’ve tried. Anywhere from this very tiny 5 petaled peach to a very full ruffled yellow to a soft pink and all kinds of things in between. Besides that nearly every seed germinated and some of them 3 years later! I’d say it has breeding potential.

Seil, That is so delicately water lily-like. Very pretty.

I love it! A rose doesn’t need to look like a ‘rose’. How exciting to get unique variations that we can build upon! This seedling out of Champagne Cocktail looks a bit like “Ruffles Passion” Kim. I really like it, though it has not done well in the heat, but it has unusual ruffled foliage as well as interesting blooms. A keeper, though I’m not sure how I will use it.
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Cute seedling, Seil. Judith, that is a remarkable result from Champagne Cocktail!

Kim, do you have “Easy Does It”? (I do not yet…) I have seen nice ruffles on photos of later blooms off that one, and it should be darned healthy and in the right color range.

Several people have suggested Easy Does It to me. I’ve seen it everywhere and it’s just never ‘spoken’ to me.

Well Kim, you miss the point. I didn’t want you to dialogue with it, I wanted you to boink Art Nouveau with it! (Or vice versa…)

Hopefully not trying to hijack your thread…I thought these pics matched the topic.

I’m not sure of parentage without reviewing the map, but maybe Prairie Harvest x unlabeled. Unfortunately both plants look quite unhealthy in a way that makes me wonder if the blossom form is related to some sort of virus.

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They do, Joe! I particularly like the second photo. Too bad they aren’t healthy and vigorous.

I think blooms like these are really cool because they don’t fit the typical rose bloom expectations.

It might be worth crossing with each other just to see if it is some sort of highly recessive trait that might be carried through. At least that is what I would do. I held onto a open pollinated seedling of Wild Dancer for 3 years because it produced only 3 petals on its blooms and looked like a trillium. It was the runt of the litter, so to speak, and I was hoping the plant would grow out of it but keep the three petal blooms. It didn’t. But compared to that plant, both of Joe’s plants look like winners. I think they are neat.

When I look at these strange blossom pictures I am reminded of all the different forms that dahlias and chrysanthemums come in. Maybe they are virused, maybe they are not. New traits have to come from somewhere so maybe the virus corrupted the DNA to the point where it carried through to subsequent generations. I’m no expert on genetics but I recall reading how mutations can be caused by virus and then be passed on to their offspring. I’ll let the experts correct me if I am wrong, but until then I’ll just enjoy the cool pictures.


Read the topic title, you are definitely on topic. Those are really interesting forms and it is my belief that roses should be taking some new and unique forms. Like Andre mentioned, the dahlia hybridizers have embraced new wild and crazy possibilities of form and color (if you haven’t been to a modern dahlia show lately, treat yourself) and I believe are all the more popular because of it. Your petal formation may be virus related, but this still may be a viable path to explore. Some bushes are more virus sensitive than others. These are flowers that should be crossed with Art Nouveau, both for the health and the flower shape.


The one rose that I crossed with Art Nouveau this yr is quite like your very pretty seedling, with the white icing on all the interior petals. Mine is the same color as Hot Cocoa, maybe a bit more orange. Your color makes the contrast all the more appealing. I am afraid that mine has some BS issues, but otherwise is extremely healthy.

Speaking of oddly shaped petals, I had one open up just today. NITOWLOP03 I believe is an OP seedling from Night Owl (many OPs from last year are questionable as a windstorm dumped everything). I am 99% positive it would be from Night Owl because it was the only purple planted at the time of the windstorm. The petals are neatly shaped - scalloped - and it has a clearly defined white center (close to Hoot Owl or Spotlight) that contrasts nicely with the purple petals. The white center is mostly hidden by the reproductive parts but maybe it will increase as the plant starts to build more.

I really wish I had a better camera because my camera wants to focus on the background all the time (regardless of the setting) and it just is not catching anything close to purple.

Looks like you guys have plenty of new directions to go into. It would be great to expand the forms like they have done with Dahlias.