'Paul Ecke, Jr.'

Has anyone used this one as a parent? It has a nice color and is reported to have great disease resistance. The parentage is interesting. I’m not sure what ploidy but am guessing tetraploid?

Link: www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.37389.1&tab=1

Rob,

Those photos are GORGEOUS! Puts me in the mood to go out trick or treating for Hallowe’en. Lovely, lovely, lovely. Talking about saturated color!

Thanks for the post and the link Rob,

Jim

I agree Jim, it is gorgeous!

Read testimonials on amazon.

Link: amazon.com

Hmm, the amazon link is specious. But, I do know we have a Paul Ecke, Jr. plant up for auction in the California Coastal Rare Rose Auction. Internet bids are due by noon on November 13, and we will ship roses, either now or in the spring (your option), but in the USA only. Paul Ecke, Jr. is in the “live auction” section.

Someone else here was looking for “The Charlatan” (aka Astronomia) awhile back. We also have that one in this year’s auction.

And then there’s Razzle Dazzle (in the Knock Out pedigree) and generally unavailable elsewhere.

And Rosa minutifolia, and, and, and. . .

Go look.

Link: www.ccrsauction.com/silentauction.php#ListByType

There are like 20 plants of Razzle Dazzle in one of the gardens in north Portland. They were planted in the 1980s…and they look like theyre DEFINITELY blackspot prone. I forgot the name of the garden. Its in the middle of an urban neighborhood north of Portland Community College: Cascade campus. Its a great place to go if ya want to be shot :slight_smile: lol Dress down if you visit there :slight_smile:

Thanks for the warning!

Oh, yeah. Theyre at Peninsula Park. I had to look it up. I am reading reviews of it online and I’m wondering if people are all high writing their reviews cause its an old sunken park filled with outdated roses and gang members. The only thing of interest there are some random kick ball games with some of the hispanic guys or the roses the few rowes of random roses Bailey’s donated a few years back. Otherwise, it is like looking at a J/P catalog from 1985 while being nervous that you accidently looked at a gang member’s face the wrong way.

The whole park would be a wonderful restoration project though. The number one thing that should be done is to make a clean line of sight from side to side. The next thing would be to install roses which are actually romantic and in line with the general Portland aesthetic of sustainability and romanticism. But Razzle Dazzle is definitely not what Knock Out would make it seem like. Maybe it has great mildew resistance for a red. I do not know. I remember taking a bloom a part and being disappointed that the colors bled. So far, only 3 red/white bicolors seem to bleed less that others, which are Love (its pink-red but whatever), Portland Rose Festival (in a very strange tone of strawberry orange over red) and Candella (which is actually a haldpainted).

I was actually surprised to find out that Razzle Dazzle was among the worst of the blackspot offenders there because I had assumed that Radler would have chosen something healthier. Now that the entire Knock Out pedigree is available, it is pretty evident that actually most of the parents are diseased trash. Only a few of them are mostly healthy. Carefree Sunshine, which is partially related, is fairly similar in the choices.

“I’m wondering if people are all high writing their reviews cause its an old sunken park filled with outdated roses and gang members.”

Sounds like a fun vacation site. lol

“Now that the entire Knock Out pedigree is available, it is pretty evident that actually most of the parents are diseased trash.”

It’s funny how out of “trash” comes something good…in terms of disease resistance. IMHO, I wouldn’t buy any of the Knock Out series. I find them lacking in beauty and refinement. They bloom their heads off and are disease free in my area but just can’t buy one. Sorry if I offended anyone with the opinion.

“Now that the entire Knock Out pedigree is available, it is pretty evident that actually most of the parents are diseased trash.”

One region’s trash is another’s treasure, no?

Roses may do poorly in one region and well in others. In this as in many things, “mileage may vary” from person to person, place to place.

I thought of that while posting but it was really hard to perceive a rose like Deep Purple being useful anywhere but a garden that uses more than its fair share of resources and sprays. I doubt it contributed much to Knock Out though.

I’d love to know how much Rosa moyesii contributed. That was kind of cool to see.

“Now that the entire Knock Out pedigree is available, it is pretty evident that actually most of the parents are diseased trash.”

Only one question: where did tripoidy came from?

I asked myself that too lol. Applejack, Eddie’s Crimson and Prairie Princess are the only 3 roses in the pedigree that are not from multiple generations of tetraploid breeding.