Other than PICASSO, can anyone recommend a T with pronounced freckles/speckles/painted texture? Not looking for stripes here.
I have had good luck with Buck roses that are stippled. I have had lackluster luck with handpainted roses stemming from Picasso. Even in Oregon, handpainting leaves a lot to be desired once it becomes summer.
Steve do you have any Tea crosses germinating at the moment, I have just started to plant mine out.
Steve, I’m a bit confused. You stated you were going to work with “T”'s, then you ask about another T than Picasso for hand painting. Picasso is a floribunda/shrub, depending upon whose list you read. Teas are something entirely different. There are Teas which change color, but they aren’t considered “painted”. Those started with McGredy’s floribundas which mostly grow rather large in benign climates, which leads many to consider them shrubs.
Most painted roses are floribundas, such as Picasso, Matangi, Old Master, Regensberg. Inner Wheel is a British bred painter which I received from Peter Schneider many years ago with the statement, “the only painted rose which doesn’t black spot in Ohio.” You have minis which paint such as Little Artist and Splish Splash. There are Hybrid Teas such as Modern Art which paints best in hot weather and Maestro which is better painted in cool.
In my climate, Champagne Cocktail paints quite well and has a bit better health than the majority of the McGredy varieties. Unfortunately, it appears painting does come with greater susceptibility to black spot in many climates. One of my favorites and which one day I honestly want again is Laughter Lines.
Hi Warren,
I do not have crosses to speak of yet. I am in my first season at my new location.
Hi Kim,
My bad for the confusing post. I have all types of roses in my garden but going forward I want to work with creating the “knock out” of T’s. Furthermore, I want to develop a T that has never been seen (in terms of color) before. Thanks for the always informative response.
Steve
Steve, you look like you are on a mission. I am not sure how far along this journey line you are, but can I throw this bit in, is there yellow in the mix of things, I do hope so and if so, what might you use to achieve this…
Hi David,
This year I am using Helmut Schmidt, Oregold, Mt. Hood, Medallion, Saint Patrick, and Over the Moon for my yellow pallet. As odd as this may sound, my crossing technique will be more in line with how an artist mixes their colors rather than a traditional approach of trying to obtain a specific color - if that makes any sense. My goal is to obtain five unique colors (my primaries) that I can work with. For the record I do not have any specific color or color combination I am trying to obtain just something new and unique.
I understand, Steve. You should remember that Tea hybrids quickly became Hybrid Teas through the inclusion of European OGRs. I fear you’re going to lose what you desire from the Teas by contaminating them with the painted floribunda genes. You seem to have been posting your “stable” as I typed the above. It appears what you actually want is to recreate painted Hybrid Teas and not really the "T"s you originally posted about. There really is an enormous difference. The breeders you listed are Hybrid Teas.
Hi Steve,
Another rose that might be something you’d be interested in is ‘Funny Face’. It is from Ping Lim and has what seems to be handpainting to me and is tetraploid and fertile. THe edges are lighter and there is an interesting transition from the darker bases to the tips.
Funny face (earth song x pink meidiland): anyone know a retail source for this?
Ff looked outstanding at chadwick arboretum couple yrs ago.
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Funny face (earth song x pink meidiland): anyone know a retail source for this?
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[size=medium]If you google “funny face” “easy elegance rose” you’ll find some nurseries that list it. Or you can order most of the Ping Lim roses through Ping Lim’s website.
Right now his site lists 2 other nurseries with online ordering. I’ve not verified that these nurseries have any of his roses now. Nature Hills Nursery and Gertens
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Has anyone used Condesa de Sastago?
I remember that Mr. Moore had a large plant growing between two of his greenhouses. I was impressed by the vividness of the pink on the top of the petal and the yellow on the underside.
Glad you put the Ping site up Peter. A hop and a skip I can be there when the time is right. At least they put the size (2gal) and the price looks good. Neil
It is a beautiful thing when happy. The leaves are very glossy and bright, and that color combination just glows in cloudy weather. Although it is listed as a tetraploid, I tried to use it as a parent back in the 1970s, but could not get it to set seeds for two years in a row, and quit trying. Like most Pernetianas, it gets blackspot easily–or at least it did in Lubbock, TX, which is not the blackspot capital of the world.
Peter
Sastago black spots easily most places, even Sequoia. Ralph used it with Playboy to create Joan Rivers. A VIVID orange-red HT with lovely foliage under plastic. It appears to have been lost.
Maybe not the same thing but Rosy mc Donnell looked pretty good with red on top and yellow reverse on salefor half price at the end of spring last year. Almost lost it because nothing but barkdust and a cup of slow release fert. in the pot.and it dried out to the point of death but recovered. Will try the pollen on Playboy and others this year. Neil