Im not, lol. Maigold likes to throw whites, it seems, which is why I never bought it @ Heirlooms.
Ah , that is good to know Michael,you know I went back in both parents trying to find white but did’nt see any. Mind you this is the first time that I had used Maigold in a breeding cycle. I gather you dont like white lol, I reckon pure clean white with the right structure, you can not beat it.
The thing about using Maigold , the offspring tend to be a little thorny .
I like white when done well. The problem with white, other than tone, is that its a disaster in rain. My preference is for the vanilla tones. If French Lace grew blooms out of the ground on an invisible plant, it’d be awesome. I love Pretty Lady, Penny Lane, Whisper, Antique Silk, etc. They resist the elements when other whites fail. Some newer bright whites, like Royal Philharmonic are an improvement in this regard, but my preference leans towards the vanilla tones. Tineke is a great rose where hardy. Some prefer the blush white tones instead. Theyre okay to me. I loathe the green-whites though.
I think Maigold gets the white from the Scots.
Michael, I was just looking at maigold’s linage again, I think you are right there , it has the Burnet Rose in its breeding a couple of generations back. I am not to keen on white roses with that green tinge as well, pink tinges are ok but I really like those with that yellow tinge, gives you that creamy look about it.
Bred this rose called Shazzam (white with that yellow tinge about it) needs big heat to open well, but when it does, has this intense myrrh perfume.
Apricot Beauty is (Dornroschen x Maigold). Not only is it apricot, but its pollen produced a bright yellow rose on (Carefree Beauty x Liebeszauber).
If white Iceberg can sport a burgundy color, and then the burgundy sport can revert back to white (which I have seen happen in 2 different bushes now), then nothing would surprise me about color in roses!!
You see a lot of sports reverting back to the original cultivar, Japonica camellia’s are a classic in doing this .
You can hear mother nature having a chuckle after giving us a nice sport then saying hey ,its back to the original.
This might be interesting to those using high ploidy species roses in their hybridising, (link below)
Hi Warren,
Where did you come by your Rosa Forrestiana?
I’ve tried a few species, years ago, these days I’m trying R. accicularis,(a suspected hybrid) pisocarpa, & arkansana. So far not much success.
Rod
Rod are you in OZ , if so, Hedgerow rose nursey in Holbrook have it plus some other interesting species
cheers warren
I am back LOL,
Rod ; Rosa Acicularis is a high ploidy rose, find the most fertile rose you have and stick it on, because of its ploidy you will get some hybrid vigor due to the increase in genes. The other 2 are american species so alot of the people in here will be able to help you out there. Can’t see why Rosa Arkansana would not work.
Hi Warren,
Did not know there was a nursery in Holbrook! Will have to drop in & check.
I thought I had a couple of seedlings from the suspected R. pisocarpa hybrid, but now think they are/were selfs of Sexy Rexy.
Currently have 1 hip of Many Happy Returns pollinated by that hybrid maturing, just hoping it isn’t a self also. Aprox 10% take rate with this hybrid’s pollen. Had 1 hip develop on Forth July, then lost the mother to PM.
I’ve heard that Arkansana has deep roots - should be good for drought resistance. Just have to produce some seedlings first.
Rod
If you search R arkansana/USDA map, you can see the distribution of the rose across the U.S. It grows in places with as little as 15-20 inches of rain and many 100 + days so it is drought tolerant or resistant. Whether it is deep roots or other factors isn’t well documented. Probably most important is that accessions will differ hugely in how strongly they’ve been selected for traits you want. So the same nominal species at the eastern humid end of its range may lack many traits found in the western droughty region. Botanists mostly base species descriptions of flowers, leaves and stems, rarely on roots. (as you see in the key to Chinese species posted elsewhere on the forum). Our local form spreads by runners and has some roots going below the depth I care to dig but that doesn’t tell me much. So do hollyhocks, which are moderately drought tolerant.
This may be of interest.
http://www.rogersroses.com/authnotes/notes/Wild%20Roses%20in%20China.
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That’s a nice summary of Chinese species. Here’s a clickable link to it:
Link: www.rogersroses.com/authnotes/notes/Wild%20Roses%20in%20China.pdf
Hi Adam.
I just received a whole bunch of R.foliolosa hips sent to me in the mail quite unexpectedly from a contact here in Oz I had written a letter to, months back.
Thanks for your offer for seed, but I am ok now, no need to send any to me!
Take care!
The R.foliolosa material came courtesy of Nieuwesteeg Display Garden, Victoria, Australia.