Thanks for the pictures and info Warren, I think in another few weeks some of my seedlings are going in the ground I know they do a lot better. I’m mostly selecting but doing culling also. I need to get my head around the culling part. Why would I want to breed a three legged cow even if it was a big one.
Neil
Hi Warren
Now for more question on your beds… did you raise them up with new dirt or just cultivate what was there and push it into mounds? What sort of spacing do you have between rows? It looks like you have enough to walk between. My main rose beds are 2m wide and have 2m spaces so I can drive the mower though. I dont think I need to be so fancy with seedling beds. Looks like you have about 180 roses in that bed. I have been using nearmap to look at some of the commercial sites via sattelite images. A last one for now - how do you irrogate them? Drippers or sprinkers or something else?
Thanks again. I am still new to having space to do all of this. The suburban backyard was killing me.
Paul
Hi Warren, I was also wondering what the constant watering of the 2" tubes was, drip, mist or? Thanks Neil
These are seedlings from Joycie which I thought was going to be a waste of time but they seem to be growing thru the mildew problems.
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This is my improvised set up for the new germinations out of the bags and I was almost done with the deck after so long.
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The other and now I have to get back to taking down 20 hybride Popular trees before they get any taller.
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Paul the area shown was disc ploughed and then hoed up mounded rows along the contour as I flood irragate the trench between each row. In summer all rows are irrigated and every second one during the cooler months if needed. The soil is red loam and roses go balistic in it. The spacing from row crest to row crest is 1 Metre, between each plant just over a metre. That area has the carrying capacity of 700 roses but at the moment only has 535 being trialed, Had to make room for this years to go in , which will be around August.
Paul where in Brissy are you, I use to live out in Pinjarra Hills and the soil was that shaley clay, horrid stuff.
HI Warren,
Thanks for all the info. I am in Chandler in the area usually referred to as “Gumdale” being the four streets in a row with acreage blocks. I have 20-30cm of nice black topsoil through the back 1/2 of the block. The house is on rock, so anything around the house needs raised beds.
I fear I don’t have a tractor or plough so will use the Bobcat to do my chores.
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That was me digging out the three garden beds I have now for the roses. In hindsight, ploughing would have been a better idea.
Paul
This is a pic of Carefree Beauty X Old Port seedling which has just started showing a flowering bud.
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A couple of pics of the new seedlings for this year 2012
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This probably will not generate any interest , but here is a seedling of
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Warren, what is the time frame on the crosses, am I guessing right 2 years.
Hi dave they will be crossed this spring of 2012, there has been many a time when I have used the pollen of very young seedlings due to their background breeding and had very good results and saving time.
Congratulations Warren! Good luck on isolating the thornless character!
So in essence then you are cutting out a year of time, ?
That isn’t as awful as it sounds, David. If this was the only line Warren was mining, it would be very inefficient and probably rather fruitless, but you chase these goals while chasing a number of others simultaneously. Had Ralph only sought crested seedlings, he would have produced nothing. But, he pursued those while also seeking halos, Bracteatas, Rugosas, minis, stripes, disease resistance, thornless results, etc. Often, advances made in one line will translate into some of the others and help further those goals. It is usually fairly easy to work in a couple of more crosses when the desired material is available. Sometimes, a result in one line leads to ideas for other lines. Occasionally, a fertile rose makes itself useful in several lines simultaneously.
As shown in another thread, this seedling finally opened today. The cross was Show’n Tell X (Clinophylla X Bracteata), though this one doesn’t quite feel like it. The bloom is quite interestingly colored, though the form is pretty standard for a mini cross. the white bud to the left of it is the other seedling from that cross. It looks a bit more promising!
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David in a way yes, I sort of save a year, but you have to be 100% sure you are confident of the traites displayed and the underlying breeding. If you make the wrong choice, you waste a year. Ah the wonders of breeding.
Kim, I work on numerous breeding lines per season, health improvement, colour enrichment, vigour improvement and bloom structure. When its all over , I have a big bottle of asprin put aside for the headache.
I was sure you did, Warren. That’s what I was attempting to point out to David.
It’s ok Kim and Warren, If I do not ask I will not know. All these things I ask go into a memory bank somewhere, not sure where but it is there for later refference. Thanks fellas.
No worries David. We are all virgins at everything once. Many remain virgins at many things forever. Believe me, there are MANY things I have no earthly ideas about. For instance, it’s been nearly thirty years since I imported roses from Europe. It was fairly straight forward and a lot of fun. The cost was even rather comparable to ordering roses from J&P or Armstrong.
Fast forward to post 9-11 and bankrupt governments. NOTHING is straight forward and nothing is easily discoverable. What used to be a simple matter of a package arriving at the addressed destination, being processed and forwarded to the end receiver is no longer. NOW, it is required to hire USDA employees to walk and hand carry the shipments through the system. There are fees for anything you can imagine there being fees for and none of them are indicated anywhere I’ve been able to find. They just happen once your box of roses arrive. You pay or they are destroyed. The only way I was able to find out this much was by asking those whom I know have endured it recently. Add to it the recent (perhaps two years old) requirement that no rose material can be imported into the US which exceeds 10 mm in diameter. That INCLUDES the bud union! No root, no bud union, no cane can exceed 10 mm in diameter. That pretty much prevents anything from most over seas countries from being imported here.