So the 2010 crosses thread that went flying off on a bit of a tangent got me to thinking about ordering a few “new to me” roses for this up coming breeding season.
George Vancouver - I have had this on my list for a few years, L83 is the pollen parent.
Rugelda - this has also been on my list for a few years, I like the rugosa in it.
Summer Wind - a Buck rose that has gotten pretty good reviews.
Cubana - the Kordes shrub rose, looks interesting, but???
Rosenstadt Freising - another Kordes shrub rose, unknown pedigree
also on this list are 4 “Freelander” roses from Kordes:
My interest in the Kordes roses would be to use them as seed parents with the explorers and explorer seedlings on mine, and I do not have the space to order them all, so any input would be really appreciated.
What is on your lists?
Unfortunately I can’t comment on any on your list Liz as I’ not familiar with them personally.
Looking use these with existing breeders to create dark red-black, mauve, purple, tan, russet, peach, orange and yellow. Anything but pink or white. lol
My list, which needs to be whittled down so comments and other suggestions are most welcome.
Dolly’s Forever Rose
Orange Alzbeta Kuska
Oso Easy Paprika
Oso Easy Peachy Cream
RSM ZZ - Morden Sunrise
Carefree Sunshine is good choice: it often provides blackspot resistance and yellow color to its seedlings.
Don, perhaps if you noted why you are considering the particular rose, what you hope to get from it, better comments could be given?
Basye’s Legacy - speaks for itself. Far from being “played out”
Chelsea - black spot and unless you’re going for potential cresting, not much else IMHO
Crested Sweetheart - nothing from it so far, sterile until it sported to one which set seed. From what I understand, Paul has gotten some seedlings from the sport, but nothing worth reporting.
Linda Campbell - definitely Ralph’s masterpiece, but sterile as they come.
Magic Wand - so named because everything he put on it resulted in commercial varieties. Per Paul and watching it here, extremely healthy.
Pookah - impressive health and flower production, don’t know what it will do as far as breeding.
Sheri Anne - an old stand by as it is very fertile, but definitely black spots.
Topaz Jewel - dunno, the only thing I’ve ever seen out of it was Peach Candy, hard to propagate and not colorfast.
Veilchenblau - Ralph used it but said it made only pinks for him. He used Violette instead for his violets.
Vineyard Song - should be interesting.
William Allen Richardson - nice to grow, no comments about breeding.
Don, you’ll have to wait for that Canadian one to be introduced, perhaps as part of the Canadian Artists series. Under the number CA-33 at present, it is scheduled to be introduced in 2012. Although CA-33 has a lot of zing as a name, chances are the rose will get a real name when it’s introduced. Be patient–and don’t wait until they’re all sold out before you order next year.
Linda Campbell has a reputation as sterile, but its pollen is usable (about 40% of it was stainable when I checked it), so I’d say it’s not sterile. Need proof? I’ve had a few seedlings from its pollen.
Vineyard Song set almost no seeds for me, but location is important for seed-set as for disease and lots of other stuff related to roses. Very neat plant and worth a try if it likes where you’re growing it.
You’ll probably get some ferociously spiky seedlings with Topaz Jewel. Its yellow isn’t sun-worthy, but it does increase the hardiness of some seedlings, and if you use its pollen on sun-worthy yellows you’ll get lucky sooner or later.
Forget Linda Campbell as a breeder: it won’t. I have budded a few stick of understock with its sister, “Magseed”, and will supply you with a plant as soon as they show growth. It has great potential for breeders and I will make an effort to distribute it as much as possible.
I’m going to order 10 plants of Yellow Brick Road from Ping Lim. Let me know if anyone wants to share the order. Otherwise, I’ll figure something else out lol. I am also looking to add one more Buck rose for breeding. Prairie Harvest seems to be winning, although I was hoping for something more salmon-toned. I am buying a new Carefree Marvel since I had to leave my old one behind. I am also considering Treasure Trail to mix with my rubiginosa hybrids. I am only adding seed parents now. Pollen can be imported. My biggest issue is ordering from multiple sources. Shipping is outrageous!
Which reminds me, I also believe Topaz Jewel has potential. I hate the whole plant except the cute blooms. However, it is diploid and pollen fertile. The fertility is low but there. So it would make sense to use it in a way other rugosas cannot be used – which is to make non-anthocyanin type rugosas. Anything that can both retain rugosa traits and introduce new tones into rugosas is very helpful. However, I see no point in owning the plant itself. Landscapers chain-planted that rose at restraunts everywhere in Portland Free pollen, lol.
Good point, Kim, thanks for your interest. Here are my thoughts on them.
Basye’s Legacy - One of the more obvious sources for health and vigor with lots of breeding potential, as you point out.
Carefree Sunshine, First Impression, The Lighthouse, Lord Mountbatten, Easy Going, Pacific Serenade and Sheri Anne are sources for late stage carotenoids and the more complex anthocyanins for use establishing R. moyesii lines, one of my main projects. Except for Lord Mountbatten these are ultra-moderns from breeders focused on improving disease resistance. Lord Mountbatten, despite being a classic mid-twentieth century floribunda, is distinguished because it was used by such a breeder, Chris Warner, to turn out Oso Easy Paprika…
Oso Easy Paprika & Peachy Cream - These two were resistant to the three BS strains tested in David’s Earthkind trials paper. The ancestry of Paprika is murky but Peachy Cream joins the Noank and Scrivins lines in a cross I would have made if I had the parents. Immensee lurks behind quite a few relatively healthy roses, particularly the Carpet series, and these two are a convenient way to capture that ancestry in roses that also have carotenoids.
Chelsea & Crested Sweetheart - to supplement Crested Jewel and my mosses as I try to understand cresting and mossing which I think are due to the same genetic mechanism. BTW, is that fertile sport of Crested Sweetheart documented on HMF?
Orange & Yellow Alzbeta Kuskas - last year I grew some OP seedlings from some of Henry’s Folksinger
It’s documented in this photo, Don. Pookah is pretty much straight multiflora. It roots like Bermuda grass. Want cuttings or hips? hehehe Kim
I moved the photo to Crested Sweetheart’s page. To put it in perspective, I’m about 5’8". The plant was taller than the greenhouse and me. This was shot up into it. The green plant on the right would have been a large Rum10, the thornless multiflora Ralph got from Roy Rumsey, his Australian agent. Kim
Crystalline is the horn of plenty for any disease you desire Blueberry Hill is a miracle in and of itself.
New for me this year will be ‘Double Knock Out’ and ‘Peach Drift’. I hope to combine these with some of the best Hulthemias. As always, there are several new seedlings that I will be using for the first time this year in the breeding program.
I honestly wonder where and when they were able to take the catalog photos of Blueberry Hill. I’ve never seen it look that good and NEVER in flower in high heat. Kim
Jim… how did the multiflora x hulthemia go? My ‘Trier’ x ‘Euphrates’ crosses all failed.
Kim, Probably the PNW LOL.
It failed! Actually, I think they dropped before I got to them (was a cross done in 2009). Now that I have better Hulthemia seed parents, I will be making the cross using my multiflora seedling as the pollen parent.
I did make some crosses in 2010 of a ‘Ballerina’ seedling (blooms like crazy and behaves like a triploid) crossed onto several of the Hulthemia seed parents. There are about 350 seeds from those crosses chilling for planting.