I have an email in to Burling to see if they have GA in stock. If so, I’m buying. Thanks for providing their name Paul and Kim.
Paul, you’ve always called Angel Farce, “Angel Farts” in emails to me. That opens a whole new chapter on russet minis, “Little Poopie Farts”…has a nice “ring” to it! LOL!
Jim Sproul showed a slide of a spotted, red seedling at the Ventura Country Rose Society several weeks ago. I gave him “Rubrella” as a suggestion for that one. Kind of appropriate, him being an MD and it have “measles” and all!
“Rubrella”… sounds better than ‘Pox’ rolls eyes
Still researching this subject with hopes of finalizing a plan for next season. Does anyone have any thoughts on ‘Leomon Drop’? Fertile, use as a parent, ploidy? I’m guessing by the parentage that it might be triploid.
…or Crepuscule? A climber but maybe a good diploid to cross with R. nitida x R. rugosa?
The pic on HMF for the Moore version is actually the Poulsen/Carruth version. I cannot imagine that Lemon Drop (Moore) would pass on much yellow at all.
One American breeder has some cute rose thats likely triploid called Engelmann’s Quest.
I think it looks nice but I have no clue if its fertile. It has all of its doodads in place though 
You could always ask the breeder via email.
I like the parentage of Engelmann’s Quest. I’ll send email as you suggested to see about fertility. In the mean time do you know anything about the light yellow diploid ‘Republic of Texas’? It’s supposed to be fertile.
I tried Engelmann’s Quest this year and it set hips quite well with a variety of tetraploid pollen. I haven’t opened the hips yet, so I don’t know how many seeds there are. Here are the crosses that made hips:
Engelmann’s Quest X Coral Dawn
Engelmann’s Quest X Gold Medal
Engelmann’s Quest X Halo Glory
Engelmann’s Quest X Honey Dijon
Engelmann’s Quest X Julia Child
Engelmann’s Quest X Moondance
Okay, so I looked at Republic of Texas, which I am guessing is the parent of Engelmann’s Quest. I am really, really doubt the parentage. I would not doubt that it is related to Rosa wichurana in some fashion, specifically, but I doubt the cross stated is acurate. The thing is that I highly doubt that that specific cross could yield yellow. The only likely yellow that could be found is likely way back from tea roses. The yellow expressed is not the sort of yellow tea roses give off. Further, the petal form screams MODERN. Its a petal shape most often found in floribundas, to be specific. The tone is of post-‘Golden Masterpiece’ Rosa foetida yellow. I am 100% positive that one of the parents was bred after the 1960s, and most likely after 1980. Ive ripped apart, against the wishes of my master gardener mentor, an immense amount of petals and blooms over 2 decades to know this. lol, she used to sigh and roll her eyes every time I would do it. I did it for a cheap reaction sometimes. It was like clockwork
My guess is that its either a bed hopping seed or a The Fairy crossed with something else. I went through the Antique Rose Emporium catalog and nothing really matches. The only possibility was Nacogdoches Rose. I am guessing it isnt likely a rose from their listing because the pollen donor is possibly a patented or trademarked, etc. type. I doubt it is from Graham Thomas or Molineux. It somewhat reminds me of Goldmarie 82 but GM82 seedlings usually leave behind cerise fade marks on the edges…
I totally agree with you that the Republic of Texas parentage is not accurate. I grew it for two years and always wondered where the yellow came from. Well the first year it did ok as far as disease resistance but mid way through the second year it completely defoilated, I couldn’t believe it and yet I could because I doubted the parentage. Engelmann’s Quest was blackspot prone also which is why it did not survive my no spray bed.
Patrick
I did wonder about the yellow color, looked at the parentage, saw that ‘Paul Crampel’ was orange and wondered if the yellow came from there somehow. I don’t have the knowledge level you guys do so it was a guess.
I’m also to read here that Engelmann’s Quest was blackspot prone for you Pocajun given the parentage. Finding a good yellow to work with diploids is a challenge it seems. lol
I don’t always disqualify just because it is disease prone, if its parentage has disease resistance and I like the plant for some other reason then I will work with it until it proves itself unworthy. I have gotten some very disease resistant plants from disease prone parents but they always had some disease resistance in its parentage not too far down the line. In this case we are not sure what the parentage is so its a gamble. Good luck.
Patrick
Thanks for the advice guys…I’ll keep researching.
Any feedback for the poly’s ’
Thank you for the feedback Cass. Too bad MF is not sold here. Will go back and look at EdM at HMF again.
I used a poly named “Sunshine” for the first time this year. It is very small and it is recommended to plant two or three together to make a bigger plant. It is slow growing but is fetile. I have a few hips from it this year and will be able to get more next year. Can’t really comment on disease resistance yet but seems ok so far. good luck
Patrick
Sunshine is a gorgeous poly! I’ve grown it since the 80s and love the scent. It makes a spectacular patio tree.
Sunshine is one of the few that I keep coming back to. I like it and it fits the diploid requirement. I wonder why it hasn’t been used much as a parent (list from HMF)? Thanks Patrick.
Hi Cass,
Its hard to tell if theyre the same rose. It’d be cool to see both in person at the same time. I love the photo on HMF someone posted showing Cecile Brunner and its sports all in one shot. That’d make a great combo pack for a perennial border starter package.
Lullaby is one of my favorite polyanthas. The plant is pretty much the ideal polyantha archetype. The foliage is also neat. I tried using it in breeding for severals years but it fails. I tried using it with Baby Love a lot.
I have a primrose polyantha out of Danae x Leonie Lamesch. It’s cute but kind of lame. I was actually expecting red blends but the keeper was light primrose. They were mostly whites and pastel yellows. I should probably cross it with Topaz Jewel when it is mature.
I believe the only way to procede is to build our own breeding stock and try out different ideas. The difficulty in all of this is that the indica yellows degrade easily yet they are diploid. Rosa foetida is tetraploid. The only compromise is Rosa persica but it is not exactly a friendly breeder. This all leaves us with either having to rely on luck, to be creative or somehow derive repeat from the persian diploid yellows. Personally, I am all for trying to create strong yellow triploids of foetida descent to backcross into diploids.