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I did bring 1-72-1Hugonis with me and it’s doing the best it can trapped in a seven gallon can. I don’t have any pollen left from it, or any of its crosses, but it threw an odd bloom about two weeks ago, which I collected and used. Sunshine (I no longer grow it, but it may be available through Burlington Roses as I provided it to Sequoia and Burling took it with her when the nursery closed) sets many seeds which often don’t germinate. I realize the climates and conditions are different, but mildew seemed to follow its pollen in the few crosses I made with it. I love the rose but chose not to bring the 3’ standard of it with me, leaving it with a friend in Santa Barbara (I have cutting rights!).

There is a found rose out here which may be suitable for you. Schmidt’s Smooth Yellow is a definite Agalia offspring discovered in an old garden in San Rafael by Jackie Schmidt. It’s thornless and flowers constantly. It sets many self hips which I have not germinated. My first impression upon seeing Schmidt’s Smooth Yellow was it was definitely out of Aglaia. The plant architecture, foliage, textures, petal substance, hips…everything, are highly reminiscent of Leonie Lamesch, only in pale yellow. I’m convinced it is the old Eugenie Lamesch, which was commercially available in the US up until WWII, but disappeared after the war. There is another yellow poly-like found rose, Belmont Yellow, which resembled it from flower photos, but has turned out to be more of a Wichurana-type, ever blooming rambler-like plant.

Malcolm Manners, at Florida Southern College, was provided material from Schmidt’s Smooth Yellow, Belmont Yellow and De Candolle, the only Eugenie Lamesch offspring available in the US, for summer students there to test them against each other to see what could be determined. That was three years ago. What has been determined is both Belmont Yellow and Schmidt’s Smooth Yellow carry the same strain of PNRSV, indicating they may well have been commercially budded by the same source at one point. The students who ran the tests (grad students) are still working up their results to be published, and Malcolm isn’t positive (he isn’t their professor) that De Candolle was tested against Schmidt’s, but, supposedly they’re getting close. As Malcolm stated, “how many grad students does it take to change a light bulb? Only one, but it can take him 13 years to accomplish it!” Perhaps it’s a good point to also share that Sunshine is definitely infected with RMV. The paisley patterns appear in the foliage regularly. It doesn’t seem to inhibit it out here, but in a more severe climate, and/or if that is important to you, be fore warned.

Now, the good news. A dear friend in Santa Barbara has very well established plants of Schmidt’s, Belmont Yellow and Sunshine (my old patio standard) 'Sunshine ' Rose Photo . She’s about an hour south of me, but with planning and time, cuttings can be obtained. I left Schmidt’s with her as the Aglaia petal substance is just too fragile for the UV intensity here and the UV and heat intensity of the old climate. Like Leonie’s, the flowers fried very quickly unless grown in fairly dense shade. I expected Sunshine to also fry and to have mildew issues this close to the ocean, and she’s on a sunny, warm western facing hillside with tall oaks, in an 1898 California bungalow that began life as an orange grove office and communal cafeteria, her family has owned since the mid sixties.

If you don’t have to have a diploid, Jim’s First Impression is a very nice yellow triploid floribunda and has yielded some pretty interesting results for me. There are also Ralph Moore’s triploid yellow minis, Golden Angel and Golden Horizon, both of which I grow and use. Golden Horizon
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Kim,

Thank you for your posting. I ordered Sunshine last week and will give that a shot as a parent next season. I pulled Golden Horizon as it completely defoliated this season unfortunately. I’ll have to contact Burling to see if she has Golden Angel. I’d be interested in “Schmidt’s Smooth Yellow” if you get down towards your friend at some point. if Belmont Yellow and De Candolle are climbers they wouldn’t work for me due to space limitations here. Thank you for your suggestions!

You’re welcome, Rob! If Burling doesn’t have Golden Angel, I should be able to include some pieces with the other cuttings I will mail you Monday. Belmont grows like a climber in Carol’s Santa Barbara garden. I don’t grow De Candolle, but had Pamela Temple in Willits, CA, who is on the Friends of Vintage Gardens Board send it to Malcolm in hopes of it being included in the DNA testing. Hopefully, it was! I am so eager to find out if my educated guess that Schmidt’s is Eugenie is correct. It’s been a long time coming.

Rob,
As I recall, ‘Sunshine’ did not produce many OP hips. Beyond that I can’t comment on its fertility.
Karl

The Republic of Texas might tempt you based on its listed parentage - The Fairy x R. wichurana

How could it be remontant? I tried it. It’s nothing like you would expect from those genes.

Baxter

Thanks Karl. Maybe it will have some viable pollen.

[quote=“NorthWestRider”][quote=“pgeurts”]Rob,
Finding a rose that fits all those criteria is going to be hard. I’m sure you’ve done quite a bit of research already so you know what’s out there. My plan is to use a healthy triploid to incorporate yellow into my diploid roses, but it’s been tough finding a decent yellow triploid also. The latest one that seems to have good disease resistance is Lemon Fizz. It’s not very hardy but it fits most of your other criteria. I plan to cross it with one or two of my hardy diploids next year along with a couple tetraploids as well. We’ll see how well those do.[/quote]


Maybe not Minnesota hardy few are, but I can speak to have 5 to 10 of them in North Idaho zone 5 and all but one, and that one being planted late November made it through our 5th coldest winter of all time with 120+ inches of snow so there’s some hardness in her.[/quote]

Thank you for your posting. Good to know that Lemon Fizz has some hardiness. Based on Paul’s mentioning it and your report on hardiness, I’ve ordered it today for fall delivery.

Lemon Fizz has impressed me as a real survivor here thus far. It sets hips, though I have not germinated any yet. I’m not sure about its architecture. Seems to want to be tall and narrow.

What zone are you Philip?

Central TX. Probably 8 or thereabouts. I can tell you nothing about cold hardiness. We have more heat than cold, as well as some drought, but LF has tolerated such like a trooper.
Check out the discussion on the topic of the rose:
http://www.rosebreeders.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=55570&p=65224&hilit=lemon+fizz#p65224