Hi all! I have a mystery rose here that I just got from a nursery (whose staff just said it was ‘Egyptian?’) whatever that means…maybe someone is familiar with it? It must be some sort of climbing rose, is about 6 feet tall, long canes that need to be tied on to some sort of support or they’ll probably trail on the floor. Has lots of thorns at the base that slowly wind down as you go up the cane. It has a couple 7-leaflet leaves nearer to the bottom but near the middle it is five and right before a bud/rose it is three. The leaves do not have any scent, but the flowers have a moderately strong fruity and almost herby fragrance. Each rose has around 40 petals and is the size of my palm.
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This is just a stab in the dark, but maybe the Warriner climber ‘Jacclam’ (AMERICA)? It’s no more Egyptian than the Bangles song, but…
Stefan
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Jacclam sounds very similar to my rose and everything else is on point…do you know if Jacclam has thorns? Mine is pretty thorny. Also, I am starting to realize that they call any climbing rose ‘Egyptian’ here so…
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Yes, it does have thorns–I don’t have one anymore, or I’d snap a photo for you. Maybe someone else here has one and could do that. If you look through the shots on HelpMeFind.com, you’ll find some that show prickles, although I didn’t see any pictures featuring the stems there.
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Yes, America has prickles. I’ve lost more than my share of blood grooming that monster over the years. If grown where it’s happy, it IS a monster. I was just looking for a monster America on Google Maps which grew beside an old industrial building in Old Town Newhall, CA in the Santa Clarita Valley for many years. It was stuffed in a raised planter between the concrete wall of the building and the public sidewalk and hedge trimmed out of the way to prevent damaging anyone walking down the sidewalk. It was obviously a grocery store find put there to break up the monotony of the concrete wall and someone kept dumping water on it to keep it going. It was enormous! Alas, Google Maps shows it gone and the old area replaced by gentrified “old looking” garbage. But, yes, America LOVES its “blood”.
The thorns do love to trap me, lol! I currently have mine potted as I have a little ‘patio’ area…does anyone have experience with potted Americas?
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I have experience with them initially potted in five gallon nursery cans as new bare roots. They QUICKLY outgrow five gallon can sizes and in any warm, arid or windy situations, require daily watering or they wilt. By mid season, anything remaining in fives demanded being upsized to 15 gallon nursery cans, which they also quickly outgrew. This monster is a genetic climber, which means it WANTS to be BIG. Yes, you can always “prune it” but that often results in a very woody base with few basals and eventually a one cane wonder. That also leads to issues of how to train the octopus arm canes with their blood-thirsty prickles and prevent the wind from blowing it over. I totally understand if that is the only way you are able to grow it in your situation as I am currently (and probably always from now on) able to only grow things canned due to seismically engineered soil which is literally physically compacted imitation “bed rock” with NO air space and NO drainage, but WHEN the earth moves, my home won’t move much, nor should it sustain major damage. A conscious decision on our part, largely motivated by having been displaced by destroyed dwellings in major quakes. I’ll forego the ease of growing IN the soil for the security of knowing the house will remain intact. I grow few real climbers currently. I think Cl Columbia, Anne Belovich, Basye’s Amphidiploid 86-3, Bansiae lutescens and several seedling climbers of my own breeding are all that remain and none of them are really “happy” about being constrained in such small root zones for their genetic desires. They do require much more frequent and copious water than the smaller types, and my area isn’t really “hot”, but it is windy and often rather arid during the day. The marine influence keeps nights chilly and wet, while days are usually brilliantly sunny, chilly to comfortably warm, windy and with low humidity. Good luck. I hope you don’t need it.
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Uh-oh… I’m in Kuwait (zone 10b) with summer temps ranging anywhere from 105-120 on average, crazy summer dust storms (wind going up to 30 mph) and humidity sigh… so I think I am going to have to water very frequently. However, during the summer, all plants require some sort of shade and protection from the weather.
Winter though, is perfect here with clear, brisk sunny days, light rain and winds, so we usually tend to take advantage of the winter months.
I do have a 30-gallon pot that is empty, so maybe I should reserve it for this rose then. I have no problem with it being tall…I wanted to grow it as a climber but just up an obelisk or post in the pot.
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I am questioning the identity of your rose as the Warriner climber ‘Jacclam’ (AMERICA). The Warriner climber America™ has a salmony pink coloration and the bloom form is not as hybrid Tea-like as your bloom images show. America™ is fragrant, so I’m told, and I suspect the fragrance is probably musk which is a fragrance that I was never able to detect and I could not detect the fragrance of America™. I suspect that if your rose was not cut back at all that it would eventually be an extremely large climber judging by the length of the long stems for a single bloom.
Hi @wradler. The color is more of a coral pink color but it shows up as more of a true pink in this photo. I agree that this will probably be a tall climber…I am assuming that it is only one year old considering it is an own-root rose and it is already almost 6-feet tall. I am starting to wonder how I am going to tackle it without a ladder, LOL! Here are a couple photos of the very spent blooms:
