Yes, they grafted seedling grown Hulthemia to Silver Moon and it worked…for a while. I’m sure if it came right down to it, someone would adopt plants from Vintage and hopefully, that won’t be necessary. I would just feel a whole lot more secure with many more of them floating around out there.
I still have a piece of the original Euphrates I imported from Harkness nearly thirty years ago! It will NOT die. Won’t do much of anything else but mildew, but it refuses to give up the ghost. I guess that is something I should cross with Dr. Huey, huh? hehehe
Gorgeous looking foliage! Am I counting 6 branches!? Definitely appears very vigorous. Remontant Hulthemias will nearly always produce flower buds by the 8th true leaflet. Do you have any signs of a flower bud? If it doesn’t bloom and the foliage remains that clean, I would still keep it. Unfortunately there is no guarantee that the non-remontant seedlings will have blotches. I grew many that finally bloomed in the second or third year that had uninteresting flowers without any blotches! I must say though that I’ve continued to keep and use a couple of my non-remontant Hulthemias in breeding.
Good idea, Jim. Though they may not have blotches, who knows what kind of other beneficial traits you can massage from those genes? I begged Ralph not to throw away early Hulthemia seedlings which didn’t have the blotches he sought. I figured some degree of drought tolerance might be coaxed from some of them. Worth a try, at least.
I think there are a couple smaller branches hidden under some of the foliage that are a bit too short to show up on that bird’s-eye view picture.
It is almost looking like a hanging basket atm, however it might start to twist those lateral branches upways soon, time will tell (I hope it does actually).
It nearly got fried in 100F heat as an embryo (one of the few such hot days we have had this summer so far, by a stroke of bad luck for this as an embryo). But thanks to Don Holeman’s timely zip lock baggy suggestion (which helped to increase the humidity levels and rescue it from imminent demise by dehydration), it recovered rather fast, and went on to show incredible vigor from the first true leaf stage. This vigorous growth has continued even though it has germinated and grown out right from the start of our summer here, which is rather unusual heat tolerance for a seedling, at least in my limited experience of germinating rose seedlings in our summer time. Thankfully our current summer here in Sydney has been one of the mildest (temperature-wise) that I can remember in years, there has also been a lot of rain (and the usual rather highish levels of humidity we typically always seem to get), all of which has allowed me to germinate many other (non-hulthemia) seedlings from seed throughout this summer, some of those continue to do just fine. We have not had “furnace-heat” conditions in Sydney this summer, apart from the rare isloated one day event, scattered here and there.
I appreciate your combined advice not to cull if it does ultimately prove to be non-remontant, and that some of the characteristics of the hulthemia species ancestry that might show up here might be interesting to keep, or at least study for a year or two.
Let me look at it again today for flower buds…
OK, the longer branchlets are almost at the 8 leaf mark, not quite. The terminal ends are not yet showing hints of flower buds, but flower buds do look a possibility to my eye, just by a “gut instinct”.
Tigris, Euphrates and Nigel all rooted extremely easily for me. It was hardening them off afterward without rotting them that was the issue. Once there, they grew like weeds.
I know some of you will not like this posting, (of course I expect most of you could not care less, which is fine too)… however… here goes:
Please don’t be too hard on me…
I have very limited space to keep seedlings that do not flower fast enough.
NONE of the persica seedlings that resulted from my overseas seed (PEJAM (unknown), T33/?T35? XOP, PEJAMbigeye) have flowered, it has been too many months waiting now. For me pretty foliage is not good enough.
I culled all of them.
I will re-start the persica breeding from scratch again, using the Eyes For You seeds I have generated myself using my own pollen on my own seed parents.
Whether any of us would have done that or not, George, you have to tend and live with them. If that’s what seemed appropriate to you to do, so be it. Good luck!
George I am a big one on culling, but I think you may have been a bit hasty there mate. They could have flowered next spring and all you had to do is put those on something which flowers it heart off. I have seedlings of of species crosses which did not flower for me this year , but may be next year they may give me something to work with. The breeding of all things is a waiting game and sometimes the really good ones you have to wait a bit longer, but it is worth it. You were lucky that some one gave you some seed to work with ,I asked and no one offered , but such is life.
I had a Basye’s Legacy seedling, with Loving Touch of all things, which required SEVEN years to flower the first time. I kept it three more years and it actually produced three or four flowers each other those years. I finally dumped it. Interesting parentage, but it looked too much like a species-Little Darling.
I live in a tiny semi-house with a cemented back yard and a few pots. I have a limited garden space at my mom’s where she is happy I can use that for some rose work. The cost of land here is horribly/outrageously expensive.
Don’t worry about it, the right things happen at the right time.
As I said, you have to house, tend and live with them. When you’re out of room, you’re out of room. I’m there, too, with ground space and area for propagation and seedling pots, so I am guilty of much of the same, though not with the specific types. I’m sure some eventually interesting things have been tossed, but you do what you have to do.
George, think of it this way- without you those seeds would probably never have been even given the chance to germinate. I’ve tossed out thousands of seedlings for germination studies. Without me the mice and mold would get them.
Also, I remember a movie I saw at about age 9. From one grain of wheat, producing 100 seeds x 7 years or so, we’d cover the earth. But most of it gets ground to flour.
Having viewed a real live plant of Eyes For You, there is no doubt that this seedling was indeed out of EFY, as it had the same size and shaped leaves, and was lately starting to look rather more bushy than rambling. Only difference is that EFY does not have the burgundy leaves and stems in the young growth, rather it is all green.
This OP seedling was useful in some ways to me, (as any “OP trial” of a desirable CV would be useful I guess): it revealed that EFY can produce nice leaves, and can produce viable seed.
For me, that is good enough information to have gleaned, it was not in vain.
Hope to have not bored anyone with all of this, have a great weekend all!!
I was sorry to hear of the demise of your plant, but understand the limits of space. I regularly have to throw out roses that I really like, and have thrown out many that have been important intermediates due to lack of space.