In theory, could I find a highly suckering Gallica (or anything else) that is a good mother and pollinate it with the largest fertile rambler I can find to make a spreading suckering monster? Basically I am asking how can I make a beautiful once flowering rose that grows very tall and suckers to the point of being an invasive species. Very spikey thorns aren’t necessary but would be an added plus
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You got a Princess locked in a tower you need to keep Prince Charming from finding?
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@James_D why not cross William Lobb with your Gallica? You want a prickly, suckering monster and those should help make one. Ralph Moore raised this '12-59-10' Rose by crossing the floribunda Pinocchio with pollen from William Lobb. 12-59-10 grew taller than the green house at Sequoia Nursery it grew beside. They kept it whacked off at the top of the green house so it wouldn’t potentially fall over and flatted it. Mr. Moore used its pollen to create further mosses. Lobb grows up to 8’ tall and its pollen works. It also sets viable seed so I would make the cross between it and your Gallica in both directions to see which most easily makes the monster you desire. If you can’t obtain William Lobb, then look for 'Gabriel Noyelle' Rose as she can also become a sizeable monster and she’s fertile in both directions. 'Salet' Rose isn’t AS monstrous on its own but it’s also fertile in both directions and may be more easily obtained. I think your chances would probably be better using a Moss and obtaining suckering than using a rambler. Even 'Crested Moss' Rose might create the monster you seek. It’s been used in both directions to generate some fairly large results.
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Sadly not, I have 7 sisters
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8ft might not cut the mustard in my fantasy of the rose monster. However I appreciate the idea, I had not considered moss roses. I was thinking of putting Rosa filipes kiftsgate into Charles De mills which has formed a small forest in my garden. Whether they are compatible is another matter. Why might ramblers not produce suckers by the way? Kiftsgate self seeds in my climate also… 100s at it’s base, if only it had suckers
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Most ramblers are offspring of either Wichurana or Multiflora. Both root all over and will seed when conditions are right but neither is particularly well known for suckering and that is often one of the first traits lost when crossing a suckering type to one which doesn’t sucker. I’m unaware of a rose which suckers wildly AND grows as a rampant climber.
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Oh, this is easy lmao. Rosa canina x Robusta.
Have fun with ‘Satan’s Briar’ lol
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Some of the nutkana/woodsii types here in BC (especially those on Vancouver Island) can scramble 6m/20ft or more up trees, and sucker wildly.
I don’t know if much has been done with either species.
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Rosa multiflora and Rosa setigera might work; they can both tip root and sucker, but you would probably want to use them as the seed parent for maximum success in pollination–in the case of R. setigera that is your only option, so you will need a pistillate/female clone. I’m not sure if either species’ suckering has the same genetic basis as that of a Gallica, so the combination could be unpredictable; you’ll probably have to just try it to find out what happens. Even if the offspring are capable of that, it could take some time before suckering begins. I don’t know about R. multiflora, but R. setigera can produce heavily double-flowered offspring directly when crossed with double-flowered roses, which is convenient because the resulting triploids probably won’t be very fertile. Since many named ramblers bred from those species will tend to have non-suckering parents in the mix, it’s probably better to start with the straight species.
Stefan
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This sounds suspiciously like gain of function research for roses. Just don’t let it escape!
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Surely Pink Surprise would be of some use in this scenario?
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That’s beautiful, what’s the scent like?
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Thank you.The smell of old roses is pleasant .Blooms twice.Registered as “Pranciška”.
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If your location is warmer than zone 8, you can try ‘Lijiang Rose’ (‘Lijiang Road Climber’, Rosa odorata var. erubescens). It’s an extremely vigorous evergreen climber, as large as a wisteria, with numerous very large, drooping pink flowers in mid spring. Although it almost never suckers, it always produce many robust, arching basal shoots with many large, horrid thorns. It is very fertile, set large, crab apple-like hips.
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